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Monday, October 03, 2005

Herald Fights to The Last Political Scientist

The Herald continues to run so called 'news' stories aimed at destabilising the National Party leadership. They trot out the widely discredited 'he'll be too old for it' garbage and speculate that Dr Brash won't fit the 'new image' National will develop for itself within three years. Of course they fail to tell readers that no one in the National Party has dreamed up any of this nonsense. It's all down to a 'political scientist.'

But Auckland University political scientist Raymond Miller believes it is unlikely he will lead National into the 2008 election.

Well, I don't know about you but I've never heard of Raymond Miller. Has he just graduated and moved from Young Labour to the ranks of junior university lecturer?
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Posted by Adolf Fiinkensein | 10/03/2005 07:38:00 am


Blogger Gooner said...

Adolf, he was my lecturer 10 years ago and is a scottich canadian. He has a wierd accent. I tried to pick his political preference for 3 1/2 months but he gave all parties such a hard time I gave up.

10/03/2005 08:27:00 am  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

There is talk of "speculation" over Brash's future in the DomPost as well - presumably this "speculation" is either invented or picked up floating around their newsroom, because nobody else seems to be doing any speculating.

Talk about trying to fabricate rumours, events and news. Must be something about the atrociously average journalism we see here, the type that allows twits like Tracy Watkins make political comments.

10/03/2005 10:07:00 am  
Blogger JamesP said...

Even that twit Mark Sainsbury is now saying Don is safe for at least a year. Some of these pundits need to engage brain and work out why, even if Don wants to retire or others want to lead, it won't happen in the near future.

10/03/2005 10:25:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On breakfast TV this morning, Mrs Peter Davis made another prediction that Don would not be leading National at the next election. So, there you have it - it must be true.

Stupid media!

10/03/2005 10:30:00 am  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Aaaaah well done Gary. You've identified the source.

10/03/2005 10:40:00 am  
Blogger Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling said...

My story is much the same as Gooner's, although he taught me only eight years ago. He is very, very good, and scrupulously fair and non-partisan. We had no idea what his preferences were after 3 1/2 months either.

There are many political commentators worthy of derision, Ray Miller isn't one of them. Although I do agree with the post, and think Don is a good guy.

10/03/2005 10:58:00 am  
Blogger Gooner said...

Yes mePoc, I agree with all that. He was one of the best lecturers you could hope for in a Stage 1 political studies class.

10/03/2005 11:45:00 am  
Blogger darren said...

Oh well, at least JJ must be getting a rest from all his exposure. Maybe he's on holiday.

10/03/2005 12:49:00 pm  
Blogger Bomber said...

AF: Miller has been around for donkies and was merely stating the obvious. Parading ignorance like that suggests you might be ignorant.

I had Miller for a couple of papers 10 years ago and I concur with Gooner & mepoc. I tried to pin him down on his ideology but never really could. The closest I got was on social welfare in a tutorial and the best I could get out of him was that it should be decentralised more on an in-kind basis rather than a straight money-transfer. ?? Well that could make him right-of-centre?

10/03/2005 01:16:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Mr Selwyn. I don't think it is parading ignorance to say 'I've never heard of Raymond Miller." I had not heard of him before today (as I'm sure he has not heard of me), just as I had never heard of Tim Selwyn until he was stupid enough to throw an axe through someone's window.

10/03/2005 03:02:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cogito ergo sum. Some don't!

- Wind Up

10/03/2005 03:07:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm another who's took a couple of Miller's papers. He was one of the better lecturers. He certainly didn't wear his ideology on his sleve, and, like the others, it would be very hard to pin down his political preferences, unlike most of the other lecturers and tutors in the PolStudies department at Auckland University.

10/03/2005 05:22:00 pm  
Blogger Blair said...

Not guilty yeronner. Most political studies types are complete twats, but Ray Miller is the very last I would accuse of being anything other than objective.

I still disagree with him but.

10/03/2005 07:36:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Raymond Miller is a red herring in this story. They wanted a quote to support their propaganda piece, and Prof Miller's opinion matched nicely. No doubt they passed over a few other sources that said "Nah - Brash'll be there a bit tougher, a bit wiser, and ready to thump Helen Clark in a debate in the politest possible way"

The trend of the stories is to talk about National being destabilised.

It would actually be far more relevant and interesting to speculate about the power plays Helen might be faced with forming a government. The focus should be on the government of the day, and the effect of Green, Maori and NZ First policy aims.

But not much mention of that really. The press really do seem to follow whatever scent they are given, with little thought to the bigger game.

I think Adolf has at least pointed out we are all being played. All hail Prof Miller. But so what? Why are they running this story? They want an excuse not to run the new Doonegate evidence, discuss Taito in depth, consider Rod in cabinet etc etc.

At least, that's the way I see it.

10/03/2005 11:57:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Thank you Zen. Couldn't have put it better muself.

10/04/2005 07:04:00 am  
Blogger radar said...

Like some of the others here, I have had Ray as a lecturer as well. (Last year). He is very good. He did once tell us that he considers himself something of a Social Democrat.

10/04/2005 08:56:00 am  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

That's interesting Roger. One of my leftie mates considers I am a Social Democrat in outlook. I confess to being just a poor country boy who doesn't quite understand the deeper meaning of these terms. I'm not trying to wind you up, I am being serious. What is a leftie? What is a social democrat? What is a rightie? What is a centrist? As far as I can make out, a leftie is one who thinks the Gummint should do everything while a rightie is one who thins the Gummint should have minimal involvement ian anything other than core services eg defence, police, education, health. Is a social democrat someone who is toward the middle but a bit toward the left? I don't know.

As far as the argument about jounos and academis is concerned I don't really mind what they are as long as they declare their alleigances or leanings so that their commentaries can be put in some perspective. Clearly, from this thread, it can be seen that Mr Millar is a pillar (did you like that?) of rectitude in this respect and he is to be commended. I hope you blokes do a wiki write up on him and the other academics who are less impartial than he is.

10/04/2005 09:14:00 am  
Blogger radar said...

I think the NZ Labour Party has modelled itself on the European Social Democratic party model, like the German one of the same name. They are considered slightly left of center, to my understanding.

10/04/2005 11:06:00 am  

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