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Tuesday, October 04, 2005

Another "FACT" Goes Down

Two Ocker Doctors have won the Nobel. Well done, fellers!!! These clever chaps discovered that gravity is a myth. Well, they didn't actually but they might as well have because they have effectively debunked something which for decades has been accepted as scientific fact. 'Stress gives you ulcers.' Well folks, stress gives you stress and that's a fact. Bacteria give you ulcers.

Before the discovery, stress and lifestyle factors were considered the major causes of peptic ulcers.

I wonder how long it will be before someone scientific discovers that smoking does not cause lung cancer or that somehow, somewhere, in a dimension hitherto unforeseen, there exists a being superior to Humankind. Of course, I don't suggest for a moment that smoking does not predispose people to lung cancer but I do tire of hearing proponents of evolution insist that 'science is right.' Science is not always right and in many cases is simply a reflection of probabilities based on incomplete knowledge.

The major failing of the scientific community is their indefatigable but quaint belief that if we have not learnt to see or measure something, it does not exist.

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Posted by Adolf Fiinkensein | 10/04/2005 07:12:00 am


Blogger andy said...

Have no doubt smoking is really bad for you. It's a free Country (or was at least) so if you want to smoke go right ahead! Helen will be pleased as she'll have to pay you less Nat Super, and you'll pay her extra tax.

Helicobactor revolutionised treatment of stomach and duodenal ulcers. The prevalence of Helicobactor infection in the general community is around 30%, but only a handful actually get ulcers, and even less require an emergency operation. Take note that a few still do. Also note that Helicobactor is thought to be responsible for 60% of gastric ulcers, important factors in the remaining 40% are smoking, alcoholism and other lifestyle issues.

As Marion Hobbs said to DPF more jog, less blog!

10/04/2005 07:36:00 am  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Andy, the thought of Marion Hobbs jogging is enough to give me an ulcer.

10/04/2005 07:46:00 am  
Blogger andy said...

I think she meant DPF! Marion herself wouldn't actually jog.

10/04/2005 07:54:00 am  
Anonymous dim said...

You know how these guys proved bacteria give you ulcers, Adolf? They used SCIENCE!

10/04/2005 08:04:00 am  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Quite so dim. That doesn't alter the fact that much so called 'science' is hypotheis dressed up as fact. There are good scientists and there are charlatons. The latter have been given much assistance by the left in their push for acceptance of global warming as 'scientific fact.' Luckily for the western world, common sense is gradually being brought to bear with only one loopy country still giving strong support. New Zealand. Stripped of it's pseudo science, global warming is simply a grandiose wealth transfer scheme designed to remove from developed nations their competitive advantage. Socialist utopis.

Even Tony Blair sees it for what he is. Now there's a good Labour man

10/04/2005 09:24:00 am  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

What, Marion Hobbs is dispensing advice that she herself is unlikely to follow? She's telling DPF how to live his life and could benefit from the same advice herself but is unlikely to follow it?

Knock me down with a feather.

10/04/2005 09:43:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Probably it wasn't scientist saying stress give you ulcers etc... but probably doctors.

A bit of difference I would think.

10/04/2005 12:11:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Bugger. Theres 200 years' worth of medical science down the drain as well!

10/04/2005 12:21:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Hey dim - how's that global warming/cooling/dimming obsession coming along? Figured out you're one of the nuts yet?

10/04/2005 01:10:00 pm  
Anonymous dim said...

Adolf - this post inadvertantly showcases the superiority of the scientific method over that of faith.
In a religious society if someone challenges orthodox ideas (eg. the earth is not flat) they're generally imprisoned, tortured, murdered or, at best, ignored. In science if you manage to disprove an idea you get given a Nobel prize and celebrated as a hero.

AL - Hello. I don't recall getting into a debate about global warming with you - although I do notice you've (probably wisely) decided not to continue our discussion about evolution and ID.

I see the Arctic sea-ice melt has set a new record this month, while sea temperatures were 2-3C warmer than average. But there's still no global warming, and only a liar and a communist would say that there is . . . right?

10/04/2005 01:24:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

I'm not sure what this 'discussion about evolution and ID' is you're referring to Dim. From memory there was a thread last week dominated by insults hurled by 'alex', who couldn't actually provide any real reason why he would believe in evolution except for broad theories available in any popular science overview. I've been working on other projects and haven't had time to trawl through all the comments, so perhaps I missed it or any reply you posted.

As for the Artic sea ice cap:

After researching the log-books of Arctic explorers spanning the past 300 years, scientists believe that the outer edge of sea ice may expand and contract over regular periods of 60 to 80 years. This change corresponds roughly with known cyclical changes in atmospheric temperature.

The finding opens the possibility that the recent worrying changes in Arctic sea ice are simply the result of standard cyclical movements, and not a harbinger of major climate change.

The amount of sea ice is currently near its lowest point in the cycle and should begin to increase within about five years.


Of course that's just another theory and the Scotsman doesn't even say what journal it was (or will be) published in.

10/04/2005 02:04:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Dim, you might at least try to use examples which are not three hundred years apart. Next thing we'll have you telling us no scientist who holds any religious faith or belief is a genuine scientist.

10/04/2005 02:18:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Daphne E. Lee of Otago University is one of the worlds foremost experts on brachiopods. She's a firm Christian.


10/04/2005 02:38:00 pm  
Anonymous dim said...

Adolf invents an imaginary opinion, attributes it to me and AL effortlessly refutes it. Nice way to take the strawman argument to it's logical conclusion.

As it happens, my boss is (a) a scientist and (b) a Christian and (c) someone I have enormous respect for. It's the chumps who sneer at science, seeing it as somehow inferior to blind faith - as you did in your original post - that I consider worthy of my contempt.

And presumably these 'standard cyclic movements' in Arctic ice also account for the seas around the Arctic increasing in temperature by an average of 2C this summer . . .

10/04/2005 02:57:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

You're the chump if you thought there was anything scientific about 'stress causing ulcers' in the first place. Talk about missing the point.

As for the Arctic ice cap - if you'd bothered to read the article it related changes in the extent of the ice cap to previously described cyclical changes in atmospheric conditions in the area.

10/04/2005 03:12:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Dim,I didn't think I was sneering at science. I was certainly poking borax at thos so called scientists who decribe well supported theories as 'hard indisputable fact.' No I did not invent an opinion and attribute it to you. I inferred that your argument, if taken to its logcal conclusion, would have you putting forward such an opinion. Big difference.

Now I must run along, I need to build a nuclear power station on Waiheke Island.

10/04/2005 03:22:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

"Adolf invents an imaginery opinion" - sarcasm isn't inventing someone's opinion

"AL refutes it" - the link was posted for Adolf, not you. Unlike yourself I recognised Adolf's sarcasm but knew of an example at a NZ university he'd be interested in.

10/04/2005 03:26:00 pm  
Blogger fm said...

Heh. (Via Blithering Bunny) Remember back in 1975 when we were all going to die from the rapid onset of a new ice age? Back then, they were seriously suggesting that we melt the Arctic ice cap:


10/04/2005 03:53:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

fm - well spotted. Wonderful stuff! Didn't someone make a movie out of that? "The Science of the Shams" or some such, I can't quite remember.

10/04/2005 04:07:00 pm  
Anonymous dim said...

' Remember back in 1975 when we were all going to die from the rapid onset of a new ice age?'

In 1975 they also insisted that ulcers caused stress. Science has moved ahead somewhat in the last three decades, guys.

10/04/2005 07:26:00 pm  
Anonymous dim said...

*stress caused ulcers

10/04/2005 07:27:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

dim, it's time you gave up.

10/04/2005 07:39:00 pm  

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