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Monday, September 12, 2005

Rabid Frog

When the Frogs have it in for some-one, they go full on. They have just given blog space to a parody of Dali's last Supper, with Brash playing Jesus, and the Exclusive Brethren bowing to the God of Cash. Here's what the Frogs wanted to stress is not their opinion, they just print it:
I suspect that the Exclusive Brethren hate the Greens and Labour because these parties have women in leadership roles and stand for gender equality. The Exclusive Brethren have very backward, outdated views when it comes to women. As is the case with their Islamic fundamentalist counterparts, the world would be a better place without the Exclusive Brethren’s sexist views.
The Islamic Fundamentalists use suicide bombers to target women and children. They stone or hang homosexuals. The Brethrens allegedly bring out a brochure full of outright lies, and allegedly lie about the source of a brochure template. Yep, I can see the close similarity. God help us should bin Laden resort to these brochure tactics.

The EB want to preserve the sanctity of the “natural” family: their concept of marriage between a man and a women, that children are created by an act of love between the union of man and women, and thus that is the best family environment for children, that to legalise prostitution is to encourage sex without love and consequences.

Isn't Frog clever to take on board other views and condense them down for us to a one word bite: Sexist.

Keep it up Frog.
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Posted by ZenTiger | 9/12/2005 10:07:00 am

10 Comments:

Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The silly buggers haven't noticed the fact that the Greens' policies outlined in the brochure are the same as the Greens' policies outlined in the Australian brochure. Ergo - NZ Greens policies are written in Australia. Now go back a step or two and realise that the Aussie Greens' policies derive from the Greens of Germany, who sit well with Bader-Meinhoff.

Get yer laughing gear around that Hodgkin and Mallard.

9/12/2005 10:38:00 am  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

What? Eco-tax is not a distinctly NZ Greens initiative? But some-one on the Frog Blog told me the only reason that the suggestion to tax family homes using a CGT (in the Greens 2001 Eco-Tax Policy Document) was because they have so few resources, they don't get to go over all the issues to the nth degree. They just submit ideas for discussion in their policy papers, even if they don't support them.

Maybe the real reason is the cut and pasting person was a little slack, and didn't "localise" the policy properly.

My world is crumbling around me...

9/12/2005 10:43:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ha ha adolf..the bader-meinhoff connection.eh..?

who'd have thought..?..cor..!

mate..you are getting desperate...(now don't forget attila the hun was a german..see if you can weave that back in..)
btw..centrebet odds aren't looking good for you lot..eh..)(brash at $2.70 from memory..them's are called long odds..eh.?

looks like it's kiss that hundred bucks goodbye..eh..?

zen..the point is that brash lied..the exclusives are shown to be lying through their teeth..

all in all...it's not a good look in a potential prime minister..eh..
(now, now, i know you'll start on again about doongate and paintergate blah blah...but no one cares..eh..?..)
(can't you hear the voters clicking off when brash trots that tired script out for the umpteenth time..good grief..)

so desperate claims as to the accuracy of the pamphlet just aren't being heard ..eh..)and anyway..how about that cannabis claim..eh..?

btw..are the exclusive brethren 'the staircase that beat up brash'.?..(cf..blumsky)

and as russell brown pointed out on that wellington blog..(cf..blumsky)..

the pamphlet claims the greens are going to provide alternative employment for cannabis growers...
this claim is based on the fact the green party policy is to support the development of industrial hemp....
(obviously a credible production..that pamphlet..eh..?..)

chin-up..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 11:01:00 am  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Hah Phil. You could power one of Jeanette's windmills.

You mention the only point of the 16 that I listed was not credible. (Although to an EB, they may not know about THC levels.)

You repeat spin about Brash lying. He didn't lie, he was evasive. He wasn't sure it was the EB when first asked (their names were not on the Brochure), and declined to comment. After the EB were definitely pinned to the Brochure he agreed he knoew they wanted to run some leaflets. Media beatup relying on some distortion.

The EB have not been shown to be lying through their teeth. The Greens say that. Others do not. Me for instance, and I am an honest person.

You can feel safe your stirring speech will stop the Greens from jumping ship, and Labour will believe absolutely anything they want to, proof or not, but not many others will pay much heed.

9/12/2005 11:10:00 am  
Blogger Tane said...

I admit it's a bit of a leap to compare the EB with Islamic fundamentalists, but to my mind this has less to do with their doctrines, and more to do with their lack of opportunity. I don't think the EB would stone adulterers or cut the hands off thieves. But given the chance to legislate their views, I'd be interested to know where they'd stand on wife-beating, on rape within marriage, on capital and corporal punishment.

The mindset of the EB strikes me as rather similar to that of the various Islamic fundamentalist sects. The Islamists have had the chance to make their views mainstream in many countries and societies. Christian fundamentalists had the chance for centuries, and it's taken us centuries to shake off their shackles.

Fortunately for me, the EB has not had the chance here in NZ to enforce it's views, nor is it ever likely to. So no, you can't say the EB are as bad as the mullahs.

But you can't tell me they wouldn't be deeply unpleasant to most of us, given the chance.

9/12/2005 11:32:00 am  
Blogger Antihippy said...

Its ironic that the Greens always support the Islamists given the Islamists hatred of gender equity, homosexuals etc etc

Must be that their shared values of anti-westernism, anti-semitism and anti-modernism trump the other "principles"...

9/12/2005 11:50:00 am  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Tane, as you said, I don't know where they stand on legislating on social matters. So far I've seen that they avoid technology and our educational system. They democratically protested and made submissions against the Civil Union Bill, but they haven't used any force or made any threats I'm aware of. They became secretive because they decided to live and let live.

The Islamic Fundamentalists have a well documented concept of Jihad. The EB's do not.

Given that they are unlikely to gain much traction as a closed community, other than the occasional sharing of views on specific topics by other groups within our society, then I don't see much of a problem, and am prepared not to theorise on the basis that "Mullahs are bad, so would these guys be if they had power..."

They may, but equally, they may not.

9/12/2005 12:03:00 pm  
Blogger Tane said...

The Islamic Fundamentalists are pricks, no arguements there.

The EBs are not in the same league, not by a long shot. Do they deserve to be compared at all? That's debatable, and I guess it only comes around because people like me see them as religously fundamentalist. This is not a viewpoint that encourages tolerance and acceptance of non-conformity, that whole "God told us we alone are right" thing doesn't seem to nurture a wider frame of mind.

But given their small size and limited influence (a lot more limited now), I think we can agree that comparing the EB to a bunch of homicidal jihadis is inaccurate.

I still wouldn't want to give the buggers half a chance though.....

9/12/2005 12:25:00 pm  
Anonymous John said...

The EB's are strict, separation-from-the-world Anabaptists. This means, among other things, that they are pacifists. Oops. Sorry to spoil your moral equivalence Jeanette.

9/12/2005 12:40:00 pm  
Blogger gazzadelsud said...

Attilla the hun was a german? in whose universe Phul?

that green politics rose out of Nazism, well i thought that was well understood, mystic mumbo jumbo about vegetarianism, oneness with nature, the evils of capitalism etc etc, why is that a surprise?

9/12/2005 10:11:00 pm  

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