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Monday, September 12, 2005

Green Party linked to Baader-Meinhoff/Red Army Faction

Too Right has the details. No doubt this story will appear tomorrow as front-page headlines across the country.

Posted by Antarctic Lemur | 9/12/2005 05:56:00 pm

30 Comments:

Blogger Too Right said...

Very good. This is serious stuff. The Kedgely twins (Helen and Sue) were misty eyed supporters of the B-M gang in the 70's. I can recall listening to them (as an impressionable young teenager) talk about it when they returned home from their adventures running the UN (err., running Habitat or whatever it was).
I have heard from others (who flatted with Rod Donald in their varsity days) he is a meglomaniac of some repute.

9/12/2005 06:06:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Well if you dig back into the past of the German Greens, who most existing Green parties ideologically descend from, you find founders who were closely tied to Hitler. Can't remember the name of the most prominent chap, I had a post on the Daily Bork ages ago about it but can't find the damn thing. But it isn't so strange, since Hitler was a fanatical environmentalist, smoking banner, etc etc.

9/12/2005 06:06:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Ah here it is
New Zealand Greens & the Munich putsch. The guy's name was Haussleiter.

9/12/2005 06:10:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's really funny eh..?

i asked him if he was rehearsing a comedy routine as a paranoid rightwing wingnut...

'cos the routine was working a treat...

so al..what do you think it all means...?
mmmmmm?
does the baader-meinhoff gang have a direct link through to here..and are jeanette and rod and nandor and all them just their puppets..?

tell me it isn't so..al

(you guys brighten up my day..this will be one of my retained memories from this campaign..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 06:10:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"and are jeanette and rod and nandor and all them just their puppets..?"

Gotta love the irony. A green party supporter taking the piss out of someone else for considering a group of people simply puppets. [A strawman argument (seemingly the only type of argument the left knows) as AL nor Chefen has ever said that Greens today are puppets. They have merely shown the ideological roots of the party.]

Anyway, good luck with retaining those memories, phule! Keep struggling.

Kimble

9/12/2005 06:39:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

phil, if you are going to throw shit you had better make bloody sure you are sqeaky clean. You are not. You are idiots. Anybody older than 50 can remember the Baader-Menhoff and some of us can recall reading of their connection with the German Green Party. What I hadn't realised until you fools started shouting about Exclusive Brethren and the National Party was that your policies all come from the international green movement, founded in Germany by a bunch of terrorists. So, what's your policy on eco-terrorism phil? You in favour of invading Lincoln and destroying all the legitimate experimental plots? Come on phil, stand up and be counted.

9/12/2005 06:49:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Chefen, thankyou for your Green founders post. I think I have to read it again sometime in the future as I got the bloodmist and started to lose all reason while trying to take it all in. Rod Donald, and my intense loathing for him is starting to make sense.

9/12/2005 07:18:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

adolf..i believe civil disobediance is a legitimate tool in a democratic society..

surely i don't need to list historical/relevant examples for you...?

does that answer your question..?

btw ..you are engaging in some over-excited dot joining there..aren't you..?..terrorists and terrorists and terrorists...cor!

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 07:21:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lucyna..through the nose..through the nose..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 07:23:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

It's ok Phil, I'm not going to smashing things yet. Pacing always works for me. I really need that kickbag ...

9/12/2005 07:28:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Phil,
you seem to be missing the point. The Greens are going spastic over a pamphlet produced by an international "Christian" conspiracy while all that has been pointed out here is that their policies are the direct descendents of the most totalitarian ideologies in history.

9/12/2005 07:31:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh come off it chefen..you could join all numbers of historical dots to make whatevercase you want..
i mean, much of british aristocracy (tories) of the time were nazi sympathisers/admirers of hitler...so..what has that got to do with the tories in 2005..?..nothing..

same as this latest piece of fantasy you are whipping up..it has absolutely no relevance to the greens of 2005..except as a historical footnote..your point..?

with the brethren we are talking about here and now..about a sect that appears to be trying to have an inordinate influence/effect on our democratic process...

a sect that are fundamentalist christians who seem to have problems telling the truth..

a sect who has had four meetings with brash recently..

a sect who have poured over a half a million dollars into bullshit pamphlets to try to influence the election..

a secretive sect who were outed..

and a don brash who bullshitted about what he knew about this dirty tricks campaign...

that is the story here chefen...not your historical "that's interesting.."

phil(whoar.co.nz)

that's the point chefen

9/12/2005 07:45:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

"an undue influence"? For pointing out the crap the Greens spout? haahahahahahahahha

That's a good one Phil. Will you be refuting Zen's post anytime soon?

9/12/2005 07:50:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Ah there you go Phil. The point is that the Green ideologies are *the same* as those espoused by various stripes of socialists who actually got into power and implemented them. Yes various other people supported the Nazis, however they are not still pushing the socialist barrow today. The EB are a small group campaigning as they see fit, as is their right, with pamphlets that were more than just bullshit as has been well demonstrated particularly compared to the regular streams of sewerage coming from Frog HQ. Goose, gander, good for. It seems there major crime is to be a "secretive sect" while doing this. Doesn't wash with me sorry.

9/12/2005 07:59:00 pm  
Blogger Keith said...

What phil can't handle is the fact that the path from totalitarian genocidal thugs and from terrorism leads directly to the useful idiots of the present.
The fringe loony sect known as the Green Party is the perfect home for him.

9/12/2005 08:09:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The real story here is the loud mouthed Greens Party who has screamed false accusations at National only to be tripped up by this author who quietly pointed out that by their own mauthings it is obvious they have no locally derived policies. They jsut swallow the dogma handed out by their Australian betters who in turn swallow the dogma handed out by Das Grunen master race, conceived in and bred from the Baader Maenhoff ganf of the 60s and 70s. I didn't make it up. You can see it at the gang's website, coutesy of Whale Oil.

I invite Genetix and Braces to come claean and confess that they have had meetings with the Australian Greens and Das Grunen.

Ve haf vays off making you co-operate. Ve will tax you to death, schweinhund. Das Grunen Uber Alles.

9/12/2005 08:10:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Grrrrrrrrr

9/12/2005 08:16:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ich bin ein Berliner.

9/12/2005 08:42:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good grief..al and chefen go all scatological....adolf does bad hogans heroes impersonations..and keith does his wingnut number..and lucyna growls..

is there something in the water around your parts...?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 08:44:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Ah down to the ad hominems. I see you have given in the debate then Phil.

9/12/2005 08:48:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Just to clarify guys, other than the generic "Greens are dangerous" lines that were common to the brochures, is the CONTENT of the brochure discussed policies specific to NZ. The Aussies legislate at a different pace, so there is SOME localisation.

What you might be able to take away from the Aussie version of the Brochure are Greens policies we have yet to see announced...

It is also obvious the Aus Greens cooperate closely with the NZ Greens (eg the two Green members Bob Brown and Andrew Wilkie's recent visits).

Until they can get the idea that their mouth frothing about international exchange of ideas, templates, stories and even migrant people is pretty much common place, their posturing about international conspiracies is all rather silly.

Peter Dunne met with the Brethren several times and they lobbied him hard. They did this to a few other parties too, I believe.

Wow.

9/12/2005 08:50:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Something in the water?? That explains it. Grud on a Greenie. They are poisoning the water. Cads.

9/12/2005 08:52:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's to debate..?...your nazi fantasies..?

that's done and dusted..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 08:52:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Phil, my parts are fine, thank you. Please explain why it is your policies are no different from those of the Australian Greens. Clearly your policies are written outside NZ. All I want to know is, what is the language of origin?
I haven't had as good a laugh as this for a long time. What a bunch of pretentious dickheads your people have turned out to be.

9/12/2005 08:54:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

crikey..you've sprung us adolf..the game is up..i'd better warn everyone....how did you find out about our 'language of origin'..?
did someone squeal on us..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(time for us all to start talking german again..our mothertongue..or is that fathertongue..?..)

9/12/2005 09:00:00 pm  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

mr anonymous, the tories went up fighting and winning against the nazis. When did the Greens reject their links to terrorism?

9/12/2005 09:00:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5th june..1987..i believe ..berend..

(ahh..those eyes again..heh heh..)
(that's a really funny face/persona you've chosen...who actually is it..?


phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 09:06:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

more unfo for you berend..

i understand four of them were sitting around a table in the coromandel..(as you do)
and one of them said.."shall we renounce our ties to terrorism..?...the others nodded..and said "ok"..

and so it came to pass..berend..

(you do ask silly questions don't you..berend.?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/12/2005 09:18:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Nazi *fantasies* phil? I take it you didn't read anything posted then. You know you can't sweep history away by claiming inconvenient events are simply fantasies.

9/12/2005 11:23:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you obviously haven't been reading..

didn't you see where i agreed that in some ways the nazis were green...

where i disagree is the delusional connection(s) you make to the modern day greens (via baader-meinhoff..surely some ideological confusion there..eh..but on who's part..?..heh heh..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/13/2005 05:10:00 am  

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