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Friday, September 09, 2005

Friday Night Free For All


Really getting started later tonight. But if you are around now, and you want to chat ... go for it. I'll be checking in from time to time.

Story of the picture will be updated over the next wee while.

UPDATE : The picture is of the pilots of Polish 303 Squadron during the Battle of Britain in 1940. These guys scored the highest number of kills of any of the 66 squadrons involved, despite only being involved two months after it started. As a number of commentators have guessed, the planes they flew were Hurricanes, a vast improvement over the Polish made aircraft they used against the Germans during the invasion of Poland in 1939.

Encyclopedia: Polish 303 "Kościuszko" Fighter Squadron

Pronounced Kosh-TSYUSH-ko (or in Australian it's Cosie-Os-koe as in the mountain).
In it's first week of combat, the record compiled by the Kościuszko Squadron was so impressive that some people in Fighter Command simply didn't believe it was true. Amoung the doubters was Northolt's station commander, Stanley Vincent, who wondered if the Poles might be guilty of inflating the numbers in their post-action reports.
...
Vincent decided he would find out for himself. On September 11, he was following the squadron in his own Hurricane when the Poles encountered a large enemy bomber formation over Horsham heading for London. Flying above the squadron, Vincent watched as two Hurricanes peeled off and dived almost vertically at the German bombers "with near suicidal impetus." Startled by the ferocity of the attack, the German pilots broke formation, whereupon the Poles began picking off the scattered bombers one by one. Several times during the Poles would close to almost collision point before opening fire on a target. The results were devastating for the Germans. "Suddenly", Vincent declared, "the air was full of buring aircraft, parachutes, and pieces of disintegrating wings. It was so rapid that it was staggering." An experienced fighter pilot himself, Vincent tried to get into the fight, but every time he started to close on an enemy bomber, "a diving Poles would cut in between, and I had to pull away to avoid being hit myself." Remaining prudently on the sidelines, Vincent was finally persuaded. When he landed at Northholt that afternoon, he told his intelligence officer, "My God, they are doing it!"
From the book: A Question of Honor, The Kościuszko Squadron, Forgotten Heroes of World War II, by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud.

The Poles fighting style was very unlike the British, who would generally fire from well away from their target. Apparently they had some sort of directive to not get closer than 150 yards. While as the Poles were taught not to fire until they saw the whites of their enemy's eyes.

Posted by Lucia Maria | 9/09/2005 08:00:00 pm

115 Comments:

Blogger Chefen said...

Hi Lucyna
Polish aviators flying for Britain?

9/09/2005 06:24:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Chefen, damn you are good.

That's 303 squadron, the highest scoring squadron of any nationality flying during the Battle of Britain.

9/09/2005 06:27:00 pm  
Blogger darren said...

Hi All

Darren the journo here.
Hope you are all well.
I can't stay long so I'll just make a few comments.
GOD I feel so angry and frustrated over the Bretherengate business.
I can't believe that the political press can be so unprofessional over it.
And they are all so one sided.
I am almost ashamed to be a journalist.
In the UK, where I am from, the papers are much more diverse, from hard socialist left, even lefter than the Guardian, to Tory Telegraph right.
There, all views/ biases can be aired and people ahve a free choice, even if the tv is the main source of news.
I doubt Doonegate would be ignored there.
Some paper would pick it up and run it and others would follow, not wanting to miss out.
But here!
I spoke to a reporter at the Dom-Post who works in a neighbouring office. He did not seem too interested, but since he works on the business desk, fair enough.
But I emailed the link for him to pass on.
I emailed a mate at the SST and was told "i can't get involved in that story mate it's too close to home." He recommended the Herald be told, which I suggested in a posting.
I have emailed Larry Williams, but got no response, but I have no radio to listen to.
So, what next?

9/09/2005 06:42:00 pm  
Blogger Keith said...

Chefen, looks like a Hurricane too.

9/09/2005 06:48:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Looks like they flew Huricanes.

Darren, get it on somewhere in Austrlia. Top marks to Linda Clark for giving it a run. Helen was not pleased.

9/09/2005 06:50:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Hi Darren

I agree, the press I 've seen have been very biased. What to do? You are asking those the left leaning press consider outcasts with worthless opinions and unsubstantiated facts...

I've decided to see what the EB actually said in their brochure that urged Jeanette to pronounce all of this as "outright lies" and accuse them of breaking which ever commandment it is that forbids going against the Green party.

I'm surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) that the opinions they put forward are not unreasonable, in the context of vigorous and democratic political debate, and certainly are not "outright lies".

Maybe some-one will be prepared to republish this wee little bit?

9/09/2005 06:53:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Seems they flew Hurricanes until the end of the war, when they got Mustangs. Cool.

My granddad was a fighter pilot (not Polish), but was stationed in NZ. Lucky for me I guess. His brother was in bombers, spent time in a German POW camp after being shotdown over Holland (I think, I can't remember the story very well).

9/09/2005 06:55:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Lucyna. Interesting squadron number considering they were firing mainly .303 ammunition until they got a canon or two. Did you know Breaker Morant was executed by the Poms during the Boer war by way of regulation 303? (That's australian humour - black)

9/09/2005 06:55:00 pm  
Blogger darren said...

I saw that interview. Linda Clark has gone up in my estimation. best interview I have seen in ages.
I don't know anyone in Oz bar IT journalists. But I will give it a go. Wasn't Murray? contacting them?

9/09/2005 06:55:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep Keith, it's a Hurricane.

Hawker Hurricanes were the bulk of RAF fighter command's strength during the Battle of Britain, there being almost twice the Hurricane squardons compared to Spitfire squadrons at the time

Whilst the Supermarine Spitfire was generally a more superior Aircraft compared to the Hurricane, the Hurricane was more robust and could be patched up and returned to the fray quicker than the more complex Spitfire.

OK OK I know, I'm an Anorak....


EXOCET

9/09/2005 06:57:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I think Kieth has sent the Doonegate material to three of the Aussie dailies. Were not the Hurricanes made almost entirely of wood, therefore able to withstand far more damage than the more sophisticated Spits? I recall that the inimitablr Mosquito would not be allowed to fly in NZ as it's design would render it 'unsafe.' Bloody hard case eh?

9/09/2005 07:04:00 pm  
Blogger darren said...

That sounds good about Keith. I only know IT journos there. But i could trawl through our contacts database. But it only seems to cover fairfax business Media, which MIS is part of. there is not the email database of the entire company.

9/09/2005 07:07:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Darren et al, try sending it through to Tim Blair (he has been having fun with NZ Kyoto self-buggering on his blog) and ask if he knows any good journos who would run with it in Aussie.

Kimble

9/09/2005 07:07:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hurricanes had a fabric covered fuselage over a box lattice frame with stress-steel covered wings. It was a slight evolution of traditional designs dating back to WW1, one that RAF engineers were already familiar with.

This is one reason that Hurricanes were able to be repaired quicker than the Spitfire.

EXOCET

9/09/2005 07:10:00 pm  
Blogger Keith said...

adolf, yes, an outline was sent to the Telegraph, Australian, Herald Sun and SMH around midday, with a link to SH.

Wooden aircraft, eh....I worked for a long time building composite (fibreglass) airplanes but no other material comes close to wood, imo. No fatigue problems with wood. ("infinite number of cycles to failure")
Me anorak too...lol

9/09/2005 07:10:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Tele will run with it for sure. Their standards are low enough.
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1453097.htm

9/09/2005 07:17:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Evening folks, your local uncle Tom reporting in

9/09/2005 07:30:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

My dad flew spitfires in WW2 with a guy called Sailor Malan

9/09/2005 07:34:00 pm  
Blogger darren said...

Hi all

Just emailed Tim Blair . So I suppose we see what happens.
We can always rely on our friends at the Indy and the NBR. But you are preaching to the converted there and because the media likes exclusives, if something appears there, then they lose interest.

9/09/2005 07:36:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

The Poms are 319/7. Warne took the top five batsmen. I can't stand the Hollywood prick but by hell he can bowl. Might have to bet up and watch a bit of the second day. Poms should get up to 380 or so.

9/09/2005 07:40:00 pm  
Blogger darren said...

Well, heading home now. No cybercafes and korean cafes this week. I'll wish you all well.
So what plotting and scheming can we do next week?
Full marks to AL, and he says there is still more to come. bring it on!
And yes, lucyna, lovely picture of the polish airmen.

9/09/2005 07:45:00 pm  
Anonymous andrei said...

This EB thing is am matter of great concern to me.

The pamphlets had the names of the issuers on them as required by law.

The greens identified all the people involved where member of the EB and portrayed the as members 'non mainstream sect'. They also tied the EB into the Bush campaign

Where Gay activists, say, to target Don Brash and him to identify them as such there would be howls of outrage from all quarters that Brash was homophobic.

The question is where does a christian demonination become a 'sect'

Is Russion Orthodoxy, my religiom a sect? We have about the same membership numbers in NZ as the EB although world wide we exceed all Protestant denominations in the world put together.

Are Anglicans a sect?

Can Russion Orthodox people get involved in Politics now?

Can Anglicans? The answer would appear to lie in which party the endorse.

It seems to me that committed christions who are involved in political campiagns have now been marginalized and run the risk of having theier faith denigrate.

So much for Cultural sensitivity and promoting diversity.

These people issued their pamphlets legally as New Zealand citizens who happen to be members of the EB

9/09/2005 07:47:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

His he can bowl, but I really would like to see the poms take this series

9/09/2005 07:49:00 pm  
Anonymous Ryan said...

Send the Doone stuff through to Richard Sutherland (News Editor) at The Radio Network rsutherland@radionetwork.co.nz should get him. The socialists at NZPA should really have this too. Not sure of the address for them.

Kevin Hercock, News Editor for Radio Live (Canwest), khercock@radiolive.co.nz

9/09/2005 07:49:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

I've updated the main post with the story. Everyone that identified the Hurricane, you guys are good. How did you know it was a Hurricane?

9/09/2005 07:49:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Well folks it's back to the cotton fields for me
have a great evening chatting, Go the Poms, Go the Don and now Go Linda Clark

9/09/2005 07:51:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

Lucyna
WW2 geeks can tell planes apart just by looking at a tail usually ;)

9/09/2005 07:52:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

It's very easy to tell the difference. The Hurricane looks more squat and humpy than the more elongated sleeker spitfire. I don't know the dimensions but the Spit seems to have a longer and skinnier nose whereas the Hurri is a bit uglier. A bit like comparing Linda and Helen Clark.

9/09/2005 07:54:00 pm  
Blogger RightWingDeathBeast said...

Hi all,

What do you all think about Act's chances?

The poll tonight didn't look flash but the electorate can't be stupid enough to put Worth in, surely.

9/09/2005 07:56:00 pm  
Blogger Chefen said...

A bit like comparing Linda and Helen Clark.

Bwa ha ha ha! What a line!

9/09/2005 07:57:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Hey guys, check out this press release from Tony Ryall:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0509/S00245.htm

9/09/2005 07:58:00 pm  
Anonymous Ryan said...

Can you help me betray people's bias? Who lines up where? There's plenty more names that need pinning down. TV, Radio and Print.

LEFT (PROGRESSIVES, GREEN)
Chris Trotter, John Campbell

CENTRE-LEFT (LABOUR)
Danny Watson, Tim Watkin, Oliver Driver

CENTRE

CENTRE-RIGHT
Michael Laws

RIGHT
Larry Williams, Paul Henry, Paul Holmes, Ben Thomas

LIBERTARIAN
Lindsay Perigo, Leighton Smith

9/09/2005 08:00:00 pm  
Anonymous andrei said...

Rightwing Deathbeast;
Labour is activly saying that their voters should vote Nation for the electorate seat in order to keep Rodney out.

9/09/2005 08:00:00 pm  
Blogger RightWingDeathBeast said...

I wouldn't call Paul Henry or Holmes "right wing". Centre-right at best.

John Campbell is far left. Sudsbury and the rest of the One News team, left. Same with TV3.

9/09/2005 08:05:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Adolf, that is good. I'm sure Linda will appreciate it.

I didn't really even notice the Hurricane in the background, I was more looking at the men ... :P

9/09/2005 08:07:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

If Labour wants Epsom to vote National to keep Rodney out, it shows just how scared Helen is of Rodney.

Bahahahaha! And she doesn't want to be patronised.

9/09/2005 08:08:00 pm  
Blogger darren said...

Hi all

Must dash now.
Good to see Tony Ryall picking it up.
Lets hope National can make something out of it. Act needs to join in too.
I have just emailed John Armstrong at the Herald. Thought yesterday's postings were appropriate after he took Don Brash to task in his column today.

Have a great weekend.

And Zentiger's Green policy postings were great too.

All the best and a final good night.

darren

PS I still think Rodney can make it. Where wiould the media be without the scandal hound? :)They'd miss him heaps.

9/09/2005 08:09:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Hi guys. I've been busy on this EB brochure review. Two more mosts to wrap it up and come to some conclusions. Whew!

Don't forget Russell Brown as Left Field.

Vanzyl (if you are still there) Good to see you have a sense of humour about Phil's insenstive comment. You have to have a thick skin with blogging - it really aint worth wasting sleep over the abuse. I'm not sure you'll get much out of the Greens re Phil, as I thought he was turfed out, or it was a self-imposed exile. Either way, they'd be quick to disown him this close to an election. Hang in there!

Hurricanes and Spitfires - I've missed all the good chatting. Used to read those mini sized war mags when I was a kid - you know "Commando" and the likes. Great stuff. Politically incorrect to give the Gerry and the Japs a hard time now (and I've got a few really good friends from both nations), but to a young lad, it was the way to be ready for duty.

9/09/2005 08:09:00 pm  
Anonymous Ryan said...

Paul Henry stood for National, Holmes I thought has sympathies for ACT. Can't pick Barry Soper. People like Fran Mold, TVNZ ex Herald seem to be left. Garth Bray and Hugh Sundae TVNZ are both left. Who leans right in TVNZ News & Current Affairs?

9/09/2005 08:10:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

That's a good press release, AL. Now National need to go for the kill rather than sniping from the sidelines. Get up close and personal like 303.

9/09/2005 08:11:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Goodnight Darren, thanks for dropping by!

9/09/2005 08:12:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I see Plunkett will be back on air on Monday. Did RNZ give Genetix four apologies? Dickheads!

9/09/2005 08:16:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Thanks Zen, no not really to worried. Sorry but running in and out as I have some heavy duty faxes coming in from Africa. Work work work.

9/09/2005 08:18:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Hoo roo Darren. ryan, the answer is Lenin, or perhaps the tea lady.

9/09/2005 08:20:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Whoever it is, they're keeping really quiet.

9/09/2005 08:28:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's talk about corruption at the UN.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10185.htm

Mary Beth.

9/09/2005 08:31:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Plunkett's back next week... Hmmm, wonder if there's going to be a revolt in the ranks there. Should an interesting week.

I got my voting pack today. I can't wait until this is all over - however it goes.

9/09/2005 08:32:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hi Mary Beth! Welcome to Sir Humphrey's!

The UN's been corrupt since it started.

9/09/2005 08:33:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have fantasies about New Zealand pulling out of the UN.

Just walking away and leaving that corrupt and useless organisation behind.

EXOCET

9/09/2005 08:36:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you actually look at the article, Lucyna?

Mary Beth.

9/09/2005 08:38:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Just now I did, Mary Beth.

9/09/2005 08:41:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

If we did that, EXOCET, it would mean such a shift in our society. It would be awesome.

9/09/2005 08:42:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I'm a joint trustee for my demented elderly aunt. Today the other trustee rang me and said 'I've got Aunty ....... all sorted out form the election.' I asked him "What the hell for? You don't seriously expect her to vote, do you?"
He hadn't thought it though. She can hardly walk, she is not lucid. She would need someone holding her hand as she ticked the box. I wonder how many Labour activists will be doing the rounds of the reat homes. I guess it's as close as they can get to tomb stoning. Mind you, they'll always get the demented vote.

9/09/2005 08:46:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

Ok everyone relax, I'm here now.

Hurricanes made up 2/3 of the fighters during BOB and was a much more stable gun platform.

The general priciple was for Spitfires to go for the fighters and the Hurricanes to hit the bombers.

The Germans evidently didn't get the memo.

In point of convergence for the guns they were by the book set to 150 - 300 feet.

The better pilots had theirs set a lot closer. With only being 303 you had to get a lot of rounds into an enemy to put him down and the best way to do it was to get close and make sure.

I recomend Al Deeres autobiography "Nine Lives".

Al was one of the RAF's top fighters during the BOB and gives a very good account of the multinational makeup of the RAF fighter sqns. By far and away the greatest number being Poles, followed by kiwis. Fixtation on proving kiwis can fly.

Also a lot of French who, in spite of the popular French bashing these days, fought with considerable skill and passion.

There was a time when the concept of standing together was not even considered to be up for discussion.

BTW our ISP has killed Silent Running.

9/09/2005 08:50:00 pm  
Anonymous Lindsay Addie said...

Hi everyone,

Re AL's Doonegate stuff I emailed the urls to Murray McCully this morning.

Has anyone tried contacting The NBR about Doonegate?

9/09/2005 08:56:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Murray McCully won't do you much good. He's got his hands full figuring out how he is managing to lose the unlosable election. I don't think anyone has been intouch with NBR.

9/09/2005 09:05:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hi Murray,

Hopefully you guys will get Silent Running up again somewhere else?

9/09/2005 09:14:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Adolf, I've got an autistic brother that can't talk. I'm guessing he hasn't even been enrolled. I asked my mother if he was going to vote and she looked at me, really surprised.

9/09/2005 09:16:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

We own the domain and Wind Rider has already redirected it. there should be a holding message up soon.

It's essentially a rant about how our ISP came to be fired and some vague alligation of political motivation of some kind.

Mean time I have to rebuild every image from the ground up.

The shops still open though and the podcast will be posted as normal.

9/09/2005 09:19:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Lucyna, I don't know much about autism but is he of sound mind and does he have testamentary capacity? (I think that's the correct phrase.)

9/09/2005 09:19:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Adolf, he's not really there in the same way that normal people are. He used to speak when he was very small (I have a memory of remembering this, but can't remember directly). So, not really of sound mind in that his mind is not connected to reality.

When people talk of autism now, it's normally the less extreme cases - my brother is on the more extreme side.

9/09/2005 09:28:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all. Gooner here. having probs tonight loading Sh

9/09/2005 09:34:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how are we all?

how's the book lucyna? interesting stuff don't you think

gooner

9/09/2005 09:36:00 pm  
Anonymous Ryan said...

Excuse my ignorance, I've been out of the country for five years .. I get the jist of the Doone stuff ... but are the docs unveiled today on SH new? If so, I am I right in thinking this should be big news ... albeit possibly buried in the election hub-bub?

9/09/2005 09:40:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hi Gooner, how are you? Which book? I'm still going on the Warsaw uprising one - it gets me so mad, reading it. Not good for relaxing with when going to bed, hence the slow going. I should get some fiction.

Ryan, the Doone stuff is old, but was never properly dealt with when it came out. And now that Helen is attacking Don on his credibility when hers is built on a house of cards ... there I am with the dot dot dot.

9/09/2005 09:46:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

Much of it was confirmation but you wont see it hit the MSM because it hurts Helen.

They are firmly entrenched in their bias.

9/09/2005 09:47:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lucyna, Deborah's book. I won't be upset if oyu haven't started it.

9/09/2005 09:48:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adolf, you still with us?

9/09/2005 09:49:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

It seemed no *Journalists* went back to the source documents. Actually, I saw one reporter (can't remember names) quote selectively to bolster their opinion, and conveniently ignore major points, all well detailed by AL.

Hah. I've finally finished Point 15 of the Brethren Brochure. For Jeanette insisting that it was all lies and gross exaggerations - rubbish. One out of 15 I'd give to the Greens and 14 out of 15 to the EB's.

And there's still the summary to go...
...back to work. Check in later....

9/09/2005 09:51:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

I'm halfway through Deborah's book. Got the flu earlier this week and have done little. Trying to make ammends by doingthe EB Green Brochure fisk. Will finish the book this week-end for sure (it's not huge and I read fast)

9/09/2005 09:53:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Ah, yes, Gooner. I will get to it. Thankyou very much for sending the copy.

9/09/2005 09:54:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't it interesting tho' Zen. It's not huge I agree.

9/09/2005 09:55:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

And there's the problem, the direction and conclusion of a story are decided and then the facts to fit are sought.

Nothing else.

9/09/2005 09:55:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Oh yes - certainly quality and not quantity, but it is packed with info. I have to re-read bits to let it sink in.

9/09/2005 09:56:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Agreed Murray. I thought that was the first thing they taught at J-School.

Obviously, some students take it as a suggestion, not a warning.

9/09/2005 09:58:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Back again

9/09/2005 10:01:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Back again

9/09/2005 10:01:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When did journalisim and the media in general get so bad in NZ?. Was it always like this?, was is more balanced say in the 1960s?

Anyone know?

EXOCET

9/09/2005 10:02:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

So, is anyone doing anything interesting over the next week?

I'm hoping to do a spot of gardening. The weeds are overtaking my gardens due to the amount of blogging I've been doing over the last few months.

Spring is here! Just need some more rain now.

9/09/2005 10:04:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

There has to be a reason why all this stuff does not have traction. Look fraud-proven, Lies -proven, still no traction. Even the hard right boys like Larry and Leighton seem scared to upset the apple cart.

Please can we have a "rush"

9/09/2005 10:05:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

EXOCET, I don't know if we are big enough here in NZ to have balanced media.

9/09/2005 10:05:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Lucyna I am having a birthday party for me this weekend. About 100 people , spit roasted venison and other assorted animals to be burnt.

9/09/2005 10:07:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

I think it's to do with people wanting to just get on with it and not be bothered with politics. The need to trust the leaders to do the right thing. The lack of any strong sense of duty to be responsible if the government is heading in the wrong direction. The sense of helplessness people feel when the problem seems too big for them. All of that.

9/09/2005 10:07:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Vanzyl, it's your birthday as well! I know so many Virgos!

9/09/2005 10:08:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That may be correct lucyna. We here on the right are well represented in the New Media anyway.

Compare the number of RW to LW blogs.

EXOCET

9/09/2005 10:09:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

I can understand that but if the leadership is so openly corrupt, you have to wonder. Tell me does the fact that H is the head of the SIS have anything to do with this. Hoover?

9/09/2005 10:10:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

Which is what Rodney said in his interview on SR's first podcast. the right didn't have a voice so we found one.

9/09/2005 10:11:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lucyna, gardening! we have an eklection to win. i have some spare pamphlets you could deliver if you like;)

i'm in epsom tomorrow and sunday morning and then delivering stuff sunday arvo.....christ we can't let the bastards win

9/09/2005 10:12:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Birthday Vanzyl!

EXOCET

9/09/2005 10:12:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Lucyna the celebration is this weekend, the birthday was 3 weeks ago. Waiting for friends to arrive from Kenya and the States thats why so late. Sorry...Leo.

9/09/2005 10:12:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

But thanks anyway Exocet.
Murray why is SR no more?

9/09/2005 10:14:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

The PM is not the "head" of the SIS.

The SIS always answers directly to the PM however and the PM is always the Minister for SIS.

Given the very high number of former military and police staff I think you can asume a leftist agenda isn't really a danger from the SIS.

This is how it operates regardless of who the covernment is.

9/09/2005 10:14:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Well, with a sycophantic media, how are people to know the leadership is corrupt? Also, my sister-in-law told me she knows a great number of women who will vote for Helen because she is a woman. My SIL is horrified, of course - but what of the policies she asks.

A big part of me thinks that NZ really has to experience where all this will go before it changes. I hope not, but I fear so.

Fingers crossed.

EXOCET, yes, we are strong here in the new media. We have to watch for hate speech legislation coming in if the left win - they'll try to shut us down that way.

9/09/2005 10:15:00 pm  
Blogger Murray said...

Vanzyl our ISP went fizz on us so we fired them.

We'll be back up soon.

9/09/2005 10:15:00 pm  
Blogger vanzyl said...

Okay, enjoyed the podcasts. Was great.
Well folks one more bit of marinating to do and then off to bed
Good night

9/09/2005 10:18:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Anon, I'm nowhere near Espom - I'm on the Kapiti Coast near Wellington. I'm getting to the fatalistic point now - whatever happens it's going to happen. I just wish I knew what it was. I hope the right win - all the signs are there.

9/09/2005 10:24:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lucyna, anon is me. I know where you are!
gooner

9/09/2005 10:28:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Doh! Then why are you wanting me to deliver stuff in Epsom? This is one of those rhetorical jokes, isn't it?

9/09/2005 10:30:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Ok, if the Bastards win, we don't let them win easily. We're on them every stop of the way. Organised resistance from day one.

9/09/2005 10:31:00 pm  
Anonymous Lindsay Addie said...

What is this hate speech legislation about specifically?

I went googling but found nothing definitive.

9/09/2005 10:34:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

357 for 9

9/09/2005 10:39:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lucyna, I was suggesting I post some to you in Kapiti. You could beat the feat there.

Lindsay, the loony lefties want to introdcue a law that bans being rude to or about ethnic minorities.

9/09/2005 10:41:00 pm  
Anonymous Lindsay Addie said...

Thanks anonymous,

So it's more and more dopey political correctness.

Shite what does it take for NZer's to wake up to this bloody govt?

9/09/2005 10:45:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Vanzyl most people don't marinate before going to bed

9/09/2005 10:47:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you can asnwer that lindsay you'll be very successful...

ta adolf...aussie will have a 1st innings lead by end of day

9/09/2005 10:47:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Harmison just hit two fours off Lee. Giles is giving Warne the shits. Wonderful stuff. 373/9

9/09/2005 10:51:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i coujldn't stand seeing the poms win.....much as it would be good 4 cricket

9/09/2005 10:52:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

All out 373 Giles LBW. Bowden needs new glasses.

9/09/2005 10:53:00 pm  
Anonymous Ryan said...

Bowden is a goose. The players are the stars. I hate his histronics.

9/09/2005 10:57:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Ah, yeah. Actually, Gooner, where I live, the people might actually vote for ACT. I'm right near the beachfront. I could possibly walk around delivering stuff. As long as it doesn't rain. Not that it looks like it's going to rain. So, ok.

9/09/2005 11:01:00 pm  
Blogger Lucyna said...

I'm off the night, everyone! My eyes won't stay open. So, goodnight!

9/09/2005 11:16:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Lunch Ockers 19/0

9/09/2005 11:33:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Cheers all. Off to have one last ruminate and then to beddy byes. May next week be better. Sorry vanzyl, can't let that one go past without waving the bat at it.

9/09/2005 11:36:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Gooner, send some down (or get Mike Collins to send some over). I'll deliver a few. Mind you, I'm not an EB - does that matter?

9/10/2005 12:01:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i thought the photo was the national party election campaign committee rehearsing an early exit....

isn't that mc cully in the back row..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

9/10/2005 07:09:00 pm  

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