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Thursday, June 30, 2005

What are the Israeli's doing transferring tech to the Chinese?

This is an F16, designed by US company Lockheed-Martin:
Below is an Israeli Lavi, designed by Israeli state-owned company IAI. Note the similarities with the American-designed F16 above. This is not a coincidence - the Israelis 'based' their model on the F16 (ie they ripped it off). It never made it to production because the US Government got a little tetchy about it. The Israeli's ripped off (stole the plans for) the French Mirage III soon after the French ditched them for the richer Arab countries.
Below is a new Chinese J10. Note it seems a little similar to the above Israeli Lavi. Again, this is not coincidental. From what I understand the Israeli's transferred the relevant technology to China.
What are the Israeli's thinking? The world, and particularly Taiwan, does not need a China armed with modern weapons.

p.s. I quite like this new Blogger image uploading functionality ;-)

Posted by Antarctic Lemur | 6/30/2005 10:05:00 am


Blogger Phantasmagoric Political Junkie said...

There are a lot of differences in those planes.
Intake- F16 is rounded, the J10 is square (can't see the IA1).
Wings - The IA1 and J10 have intial small wings at the front, these help to turn the plane faster and sharper. F16 doesn't have them at the front, but at the back.
The cockpit on the F16 is a 'bubble' but not so on the J10.

They are actually quite different aircraft.

6/30/2005 12:54:00 pm  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Not to mention they are operated by a different country.

A few test flights over Japan and Taiwan should soon sort out the differences in performance.

6/30/2005 01:42:00 pm  
Blogger Aaron Bhatnagar said...

Soviet aircraft were marvels of aerodynamic design, but the electronics were lousy. The chinese can design aircraft based on American design, but if an F16D is able to fire 4 AMRAAM missiles at four different aircraft, and a Chinese derivative can only fire a single semi-active radar missile (meaning that they have to stay pointed in one direction with the aircraft radar on) at one time, then the US still has a massive advantage.

6/30/2005 03:53:00 pm  
Blogger reid said...

There have been growing defence ties between Israel and China for some time - I'm not sure about the F-16 technology transfers AL but there have been others.

Some of my souces are even suggesting Israel is in the process of swapping allies, but of course that's not very likely.

Have a look at this recent article this subject.

BTW Aaron, do you have info on your comment about the Russian avionics? I recall during the cold war that such was the perception until they realised those valves were for the EMP. Russians are the best soldiers you can get, and very very smart. They have chosen to excel in certain fields, such as the Sunburn, which is unstoppable and can take out an aircraft carrier without using a nuke warhead. That's smart.

6/30/2005 07:46:00 pm  
Blogger David said...

While I agree with the conclusion about Israel giving away US military technology, you're a bit confused about the design of the Lavi being stolen from the US.

IIRC, Israel wanted to design a new attack aircraft. They wanted the US to fund most of it. The US would only do this if there was significant involvement for a US manufacturer in the design. And so it ended up looking close to that manufacturer's existing product. It was pretty much a case of the US forcing Israel down that design path.

It was never going to be economical.

6/30/2005 09:39:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

I don't agree David. I was being a little fast with the facts when I said the Israeli's nicked the design from the USA (it was a joint programme of a sort), but the fact remains the Israeli's have transferred technology (probably aerodynamic test results and the like) to enable China to build an aircraft that is famously unstable to fly, and requires computers to keep it in the air.

7/01/2005 12:27:00 am  
Blogger reid said...


Go to rense.com and search for "lavi" and you'll get a lot.

Since it's bit hard to find the search on that site, to save you the trouble, here's the google site-specific link, all you need to do is type: lavi

7/01/2005 12:39:00 am  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

As for the air intake: they're using a lower-powered Russian knockoff engine, so may they needed to widen it.

Also - the khaki missiles under the wings look very much like Mavericks, the primary American (and New Zealand) anti-tank missile for fighter aircraft (we use them on our Navy helicopters).

7/01/2005 01:04:00 am  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Reid: the Python-3 missile is only equivalent to an 80's Sidewinder. I'd be worried if the Israeli's had transferred Python-4 or -5 technology.

Those missiles are superior to everything built by Nato.

7/01/2005 02:44:00 am  

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