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Sunday, June 26, 2005

Something is very wrong here

I've been looking around for Maori Party policies on the web today. So far, nothing. There have been no policies released, which I think is strange. Unless the agenda of the Maori party is implicitly understood by the people they are targeting as their voters.

Here is what I know. Their leader is a socialist, that much is apparent in what she has said. Tariana Turia doesn't want her people to become the slaves (Eye to Eye, an interview with Tariana Turia, John Tamihere, Chris Trotter, Rodney Hide). So if they are not going to be the slaves, who are?

Maori rights dominate those of the majority of NZers Dr Muriel Newman.
While the incremental progress of Maori advantage has largely gone unnoticed and in itself each small step is of little consequence, collectively there has been a significant shift in power and resources.
For helping me notice that something is kind of off about the Maori Party, I have Tim Selwyn to thank. He has identified the immigrants to be all non-Maori. Maori are identified as the locals. Redefinition of meanings is a speciality of Marxists. Class warfare (ie Maori vs Everyone else) is a speciality of Marxists. Are you sure you are not being played, Tim?

Posted by Lucia Maria | 6/26/2005 05:20:00 pm


Blogger Keith said...

I guess the agenda of the Maori party is pretty simple--to advance Maori interests over and above those of other New Zealanders. You bet it's "implicitly understood" by Maori.

6/26/2005 06:11:00 pm  
Blogger Lucia Maria said...

I don't know why I didn't "get" that before. Ok, maybe it's because of their anti-Labour bent. The flawed thinking of the Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend. I know that is wrong, and yet a part of me went along with it.

6/26/2005 06:27:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I think the Maori party is trying to appeal to a broad spectrum of 'Maori' people ranging from the extremist nutters like Margaret Mutu who appear to want an apartheid system akin to Fiji where those who are designated as 'Maori' can strut around exclaimong "Kia ora" or "Tena Koe" in return for munificent emoluments, through to people like me who have some Maori heritage and want to honour it but above all else want to be New Zealanders with everyone else. I suspect that once the rhetoric is put aside the party's policies will be seen to be somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. I hope they have a presence in Parliament where they can exert some influence without being bound either to National or Labour. In this way I suspect Maori New Zealanders and all New Zealanders will be extremely well served.

6/26/2005 06:43:00 pm  
Blogger Lucia Maria said...

I hope so, Adolf. I really do. What Tim has been saying has got me worried though, and until they release their policies .. who knows what they really stand for?

6/26/2005 06:48:00 pm  
Blogger Keith said...

Adolf, if the Maori party could do that I think almost all Kiwis would cheer them on. But I have a nasty feeling that the radicals will determine their policies. They have a history of hijacking legitimate Maori issues.

6/26/2005 06:56:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Lucyna, Kieth, be practical. They are only ever going to be a very monor coalition party alongside a mainstream party. Like the Greens and the dils in UF they will only ever get the crumbs. Owever it will be extremely healthy for maoridom to actually have 'their own representation in parliament' as disticnt from just being part of National or Labour. I suspect that, when the chips are down, that's what Tino Rangatiratanga is really all about. Being heard in their own right, not as someone elses Uncle Tom rump.

6/26/2005 07:13:00 pm  
Blogger Keith said...

True enough Adolf. But they may find themselves actually with less influence that way.As it is, being able to pressure Labour in caucus may be more effective, because Helen and the gang desperately want to project the illusion of unity.

6/26/2005 07:24:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Kieth, haven't you forgotten something? After September Labour won't be there.

6/26/2005 07:29:00 pm  
Blogger Keith said...

Fingers crossed. It's times like these I wish i could pray.

6/26/2005 07:32:00 pm  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Kieth, it's never too late to start. All I am trying to say is that I don't believe Tariana Turia and Peter Sharples are stupid people. They know realpolitic and they will get the best they can for their constituents, just like a 'farmers party' would do if there was one. You only need to fear the radical fringe if they get a majority in the house. They never will.

6/26/2005 07:53:00 pm  
Blogger Gooner said...

I agree with Adolf. I am not nearly as concerned about the Maori Party as I once was. I've been told Tariana Turia is one of the nicest people in Parliament, and whilst 'nice' might not cut it in politics, she will manage to keep the Harawira's under control.

6/26/2005 09:39:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Maori Party types I've seen on TV or read about seem very pragmatic on many issues, even if some of them are a bit airy fairy.

6/27/2005 12:44:00 am  
Blogger Bomber said...

They are all limp-wristed little pussies! They wouldn't know radicalism if it came up and through a wet t-shirt at them. You guys have nothing to be afraid of... I haven't joined... yet.

Seriously, Lucyna, identifying people by their respective definitions of non-immigrants, Maori etc. was to represent mind-sets rather than actual strict exclusivity for each group. You know, like when you say Maori things "grate" I don't assume you mean everything Maori grates... ?

The "slaves" comments you made were a laugh. Do you actually read what you have written? You said "So if they are not going to be the slaves, who are?" I love how you interpret them as meaning she is suggesting non-Maori should be slaves. So Aunty Tariana is going to make nice little knitted shackles for her non-Maori slaves!? Help me here because you are leaving yourself with these options:
You think that Maori are slaves and should continue to be?
You think that Maori want to create slaves who are not Maori?
Or perhaps even the radical, extremist view, and the one which I hold by the way:
Maybe Maori don't want to be turned into or hold or ever condone anything like slavery, economic or otherwise and merely use it as a term to illustrate, for example, the point that the Crown can currently confiscate property off Maori, because they are Maori, so that they may distribute it to non-Maori?

As for Marxism??!? That died a wee while back to still be paranoid that Marxists lurk behind any non-conservative outlook in the world. Talk about showing your age! Shame. Class analysis and people's relationship to property and the nature of production etc. is just as valid now as it was then as a theory that provides a mechanism to evaluate society rather than the state-control conclusions (of the Socialist Internationales for example). This is all ancient history, but I think that's right.

Played? You are often promoting one rotten status quo position after another including American imperialist-style ambitions through warfare and occupation and you suggest one is played!? You know your wind-ups. I'll give you that.

6/27/2005 02:13:00 am  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

AL I rest my case. They are far less loopy than the Greens.

6/27/2005 02:15:00 am  
Blogger Bomber said...


6/27/2005 02:16:00 am  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Turia said: "...her people to become the slaves"

That's different than saying "become slaves" or "be slaves"

Thus, to assume Lucyna is saying Maori are slaves etc etc is wrong and missing the point. The point is why did she say that exact phrase under her breath? At moments when the guard is down, you have to wonder what the true feelings are.

Maybe it was just a slip of the tongue, or a misquote? Let's hope some clear policy statements from the Maori party clear this up.

I'm in agreeement with Adolf: They are less loopy than the Greens. But that's not saying much, is it.

6/27/2005 10:23:00 am  
Blogger Lucia Maria said...

NZ Pakeha Govt: incompentent and racist

COMMENT: Pakeha government, in negotiating with Waitangi Treaty claimants, has constantly pleaded poverty. Yet, as shown below, it has no problem enriching its Pakeha capitalist class and funding a huge overseas debt for the benefit of its (mainly) Pakeha constituency.

Marxist speak. So far no link with the Maori Party that I can find. There's heaps more just like this on the website I've linked to.

6/27/2005 10:51:00 am  
Blogger Bomber said...

Have responded to most of the above points here.

6/27/2005 03:45:00 pm  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

The thing is Lucyna, you have to be a bit of a wanker to actually implement marxist ideas on an unsuspecting public. And I just don't think the leading Maori Party types are wankers.

6/27/2005 04:06:00 pm  
Blogger Lucia Maria said...

They could get hijacked, though, AL. Like the Greens.

6/27/2005 04:25:00 pm  

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