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But if in many respects their tastes and behavior are indistinguishable from those of underclass white males, there are nevertheless clear and important differences. Most obviously, whatever the similarity between them and their white counterparts in their taste for sex, drugs, and rock and roll, they nevertheless do not mix with young white men, even in the neighborhoods devoted to the satisfaction of their tastes. They are in parallel with the whites, rather than intersecting with them.They remind me of the (admittedly few) similarly-aged Muslim men I've met here in Auckland. Young hedonists with a violent streak, but also woman haters - the sort of men who might turn fundy in a last-ditch effort to clean themselves up before they waste their entire lives (in the eyes of their families and local mullahs). In the worst example I've encountered, I was showing a female Indian (Hindi) friend around Mt Eden and a car-load of young Indian or Pakistani men gave her a combo look of hatred/distaste the likes of which I had never seen before. Since then I've come across similar types who tend to be Indian Muslims from Fiji and various other ex-colonies. I've certainly never come across the same open hatred of women emanating from Hindi and Sikh men.