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Monday, November 07, 2005

Time to Face Up To Reality

The number of cars burnt in France doubles every night. One thousand three hundred last night, according to the BBC. This morning 's Herald regurgitates the leftist Independent theme that it's all caused by poverty, a feeling of hopelessness and a yearning for the homeland of Morocco. Conveniently ignored is the Islamic hatred of anything Western, even though the interviews with a couple of young thugs clearly indicates its significance.

There can be only one answer, albeit politically unattractive. France must declare marshall law and operate dusk to dawn curfews in the regions afflicted with this new malaise. Troops need orders to shoot looters and rioters. Once twenty or so of these young thugs are very publicly knocked over the rest will cave in. Only when civil order is restored can politicians start to pontificate. Napoleon had the right idea - he always shot a few deserters 'pour encourager les autres'

Then they can can give all those incarcerated, along with their mates, a free boat ride to Morroco.

Update 1200: Courtesey of Powerline

UPDATE: A bomb factory was discovered last night south of Paris:

Police found a gasoline bomb-making factory in a southern suburb of the city, with more than 100 bottles, gallons of fuel and hoods for hiding rioters' faces, a senior Justice Ministry official said Sunday.

Six youths, all aged under 18, were arrested in the raid Saturday night on a building in Evry south of Paris where the gasoline bombs were being put together, Jean-Marie Huet, the ministry's director of criminal affairs and pardons, told The Associated Press.

The discovery, Huet said, shows that gasoline bombs being used by rioters "are not being improvised by kids in their bathrooms."

The Normandy town of Evreux, 60 miles west of Paris, appeared to suffer the worst damage Saturday. Arsonists burned at least 50 vehicles, part of a shopping center, a post office and two schools, said Patrick Hamon, spokesman for the national police.

MORE: This is a photo of a burned-out police station in Evreux, which is in western France. I can understand that police officers can't guard every school, let alone every parked car, but it's hard to see how they can be so ineffective as to allow rioters to burn down their own stations:
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Posted by Adolf Fiinkensein | 11/07/2005 08:07:00 AM

15 Comments:

Blogger Chefen said...

Poverty is a thread, but homelessness? I don't think it is so common even among the poor. It's the god awful tenements they've been stuck in. And how can a second or third (or more) generation thug have a yearning for the homeland? And if so... why not just piss off?

Poverty, homelessness, yeah whatever it's a small part. But. You still don't see your average Jacques out on the streets dousing ladies in petrol and setting them alight. No, there is something else that these twits refuse to mention.

11/07/2005 08:56:00 AM  
Blogger Chefen said...

Oh and it's going to have to get a lot worse before they turn out the guard on them. That would mean (1) shooting French citizens, although they are quite happy shooting up colonials they seem reticient to lay down the law at home and (2) it would be a huge admission of incompetence that they allowed it to happen and allowed it to get so far, political suicide and (3) they'd be totally f***ed in the eyes of their beloved Arab allies if they started gunning down Muslims.

When can we call it a quagmire?

11/07/2005 09:09:00 AM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

It's nothing to do with poverty.

They're violent bigots no different to the KKK - except the KKK were a minority of the majority attacking the minority, and these thugs appear to be a fair sized chunk of the minority attacking the majority.

11/07/2005 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

This earlier letter to Roger L. Simon claims the riots originated as a drug dealer turf war, escalated to its present broader stage because the Paris police ignored it.
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/11/paris_sadness_a.php

11/07/2005 09:31:00 AM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

And an email to Instapundit:
http://instapundit.com/archives/026593.php

It's not an intefada. I'm an Australian SF author temporarily living in Paris; sadly I don't have my own blog (yet), but I'm writing a freelance article on liberte-cherie, the French libertarian organisation (www.liberte-cherie.com). I'm no expert, but I'm learning some things.

The problem in France is not the same as in the UK or the Netherlands. There, there's been an overdose of PC multi culturalism... but American critics are wrong to assign that to France. France HAS insisted on integration, as seen by the controversial ban on headscarves in French schools. And most French muslims do consider themselves French, to varying degrees, and Islamic extremism is pretty small thing here (there was far more protest against the headscarf ban outside of France than inside). So it's not an intefada.

There's just no damn jobs. White college grads can't get jobs, what hope do immigrants from regions with bad schools have? I think this is more like the LA Rodney King riots -- there's people there who want the French dream, just as in LA people wanted the American dream, but they just don't see it when they look around, and they resent the fact enormously. They can't change schools to get a better education because the government says you have to go to the school where you live, and they live where they do because of the zoning laws... which I'm no expert about, but I do know that the government owns 30 percent of all housing in France, and poor immigrants basically live where they're told. The government tries to give them everything and does it extremely badly, there's no upward mobility, and it doesn't breed a happy community. Religion exacerbates the feeling of exclusion, I'm sure, but the rioting seems mostly driven by economics and bad social policy.

So yeah, it's a stupid French government problem, but not the one some American critics are ascribing... however attractive it might be to do so.

11/07/2005 09:33:00 AM  
Blogger Chefen said...

The French have done it to themselves with their dumb immigration and statist policies. But I think that writer is underplaying the extent to which Islam is playing. It doesn't take much of a population that doesn't want to belong to spread violence, especially with external bogeymen to play up, Israel, America, Iraq and so on. The difference with other immigrant populations is that they can identify themselves with a global and seemingly powerful group that is on their side. In that way it is not at all like Rodney King or the 60s in America, it is potentially much more dangerous.

11/07/2005 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

I think that writer was bent on blaming France's socialist policies rather than a simpler explanation - large numbers of (probably) racist thugs who need to be dealt with firmly.

I wonder if the BBC is describing them as 'youths' still.

11/07/2005 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Murray said...

This weeks SNN podcast has an interview with a French blogger who covers of the answer the powers that be have decided on.

It's just the nitty gritty of HOW MUCH money they're going to throw at these people.

Get paid to be a rioter... where does one appply?

http://tuatara.blogmatrix.com/

11/07/2005 10:15:00 AM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I suspect 1,300 cars are more than the Luftwaffe managed in any one night of the London blitz.

11/07/2005 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Don't forget the police. I've read that 10 policemen were shot, two of them critical.

11/07/2005 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

But anyway guys, let's remember that we rely on the same media who brought us New Orleans. They largely made up the riots, looting, raping and killing over there. We have no idea how these supposed journos get their news and what figures are correct.

11/07/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Berend, the real figures will be worse. Here the media are trying to shield the authoriies from reality. In NO they were trying to create a problem for the Federal authorities.

11/07/2005 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Good point Adolf!

11/07/2005 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

It seems the riots have crossed the border to Belgium. Police in Brussels have received threats to stop patrolling in certain areas.

Here a partial translation from a Dutch newspaper:

EVREUX - "I'm afraid, extremely afraid," stutters the 66-year old Annick Briend. Dazedly she looks at the three completely burned out and blackened shops in Evreux, one of the places in France where severe riots happened this black weekend.

"I'm retired and live in a retirement home. What should I do at night when there is such violence?"

Dozens of people, young and old, immigrants and natives, stand in the shopping centre in Evreux and are amazed at the damage of Saturday night. "We've never seen the like of this here," whispers a woman. "This is not a suburb of Paris, this is a war zone."

http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/article56068.ece

11/07/2005 02:35:00 PM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Hmmm. Not good at all.

11/07/2005 02:42:00 PM  

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