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Monday, October 17, 2005

Winston Peters and Peter Dunne are damned commies!

Cathy Odgers has humbly requested everybody stop calling Peter Dunny and Tailor's Dummy "centre-right". Amen sister.

Blogging about NZ's political spectrum back in June, I said this:
NZ First and United Future are centre-left, not centre-right as they are often described.
Just for reference here's the spectrum once again.

Those who call the two Personality Cult parties centre-right either don't know what right really means, and use it as a synonym for "people I don't like or understand", or are trying to damage ACT and National by tarring them with the same brush as Peters.

In other words only lefties label them this way. Which is why you hear this so much in the media.
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Posted by RightWingDeathBeast | 10/17/2005 11:56:00 PM


Blogger Wanderlust said...

Actually, Hitler exhibited traits one could ascribe to the extremes of either side of the political aisle.

C.S. Lewis, George Orwell, and others have commented that if you go far enough on one side, you end up at the far reaches of the other - almost as if the sides bend back in on themselves.

10/18/2005 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous alistair said...

so let's see, what you're saying is : the right haven't won an election in NZ since, let's see, 1978.

And have little prospect of winning one in the next 28 years either.

Fine by me.

10/18/2005 02:43:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

The point is well made: The left want to position NZF and UF as centre right, so that if the government collapses, its their fault, and thus the right's fault.

It ignores the fact that these centrist parties have clearly gone with Labour.

The Labour party is back in business: Spin news is active. They can't even report the new coalition without some arse-covering and side-swipe at the right.

Alistair, you might want to blame the last 27 years on the left, but I think you are too simplistic. The right nearly got control of the Labour party, and did contribute to whatever economic success you are prepared to admit to.

The right did manage to halve the bureaucracy, but its growing back pretty quickly.

Oh well, back to work.

10/18/2005 09:40:00 AM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Wanderlust - I don't think that's necessarily true anymore, if it was ever true for New Zealand.

10/18/2005 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

has anyone noticed that if you walk a step forward turn left or right by 180 degrees, all those on the right are now on the left and all those on the left are now on the right. Pretty damn weird if you ask me.

10/18/2005 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger darren said...

The Aussies see the funny side


10/18/2005 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger Paul said...

"National Radio" heh! But where would you generally put the Maori Party?

10/18/2005 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger RightWingDeathBeast said...

I did this graphic when the Maori party didn't have quite so many MPs, so I didn't include them.

It's hard to know where to slot them in. I reckon Tariana's quite a bit further left than Pita. Probably I'd put them where UF are and move UF and NZF down a line or two given their recent moves on Labour.

10/18/2005 01:42:00 PM  
Blogger GD said...

Left and Right are soooo outdated The new paradigm is Free or AntiFree. We have an AntiFree government at present.One hopes we will soon have a government for the Free.Until them teh struggle to be Free will continue

10/18/2005 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger coge said...

Well even according to RWDB's chart Labour have taken a big step toward the centre. Which is preferable to the previous arrangement. At least they are heading in the right direction.
Look at Tony Blair, he backs Bush & thinks Kyoto is a crock.

10/18/2005 02:45:00 PM  
Blogger Bren said...

Labour is unashamedly left?

Are you kidding? Are you high?

I can't help but think how'd you react if an actual unashamedly left party came to power.

10/18/2005 07:36:00 PM  
Blogger PC said...

RWDB, I'm afraid this one-dimensional spectrum isn't worth a pinch of shite. Calling Libertarianz extreme right is the least of its errors. The two-dimensional spectrum is going to give you an accurate position for parties; this one-dimensional job gives you nothing of relevance.

And as far as charting the position of Winston First and the UFO Party goes, when their policies change with the wind, then so too does their position.

10/19/2005 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous james said...

United Future is full of Christian fundamentalists. NZ First are xenophobic bigots. How are they left-wing? Only if the terms 'left' and 'right' no longer mean anything - which they don't.

UFNZ is socially conservative and economically neoliberal. NZ First is socially conservative and economically nationalist. I don't see how you can pitch them as being in league with say, Labour of the Greens.

10/19/2005 03:03:00 PM  

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