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Friday, October 07, 2005

Friday Night Free For All

Chat tonight from 7:30pm, talking about anything and everything.

Yes, this is a regular event.

No, I will not thrash anyone. I promise.

Posted by Lucia Maria | 10/07/2005 06:08:00 PM

75 Comments:

Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Should I turn off the recent comments tonight? I don't think 10,000 people loading a page with 500 comments will add up to a pleasant browsing experience.

10/07/2005 06:15:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Good idea, AL.

10/07/2005 06:16:00 PM  
Blogger Chefen said...

Hi all.

10/07/2005 06:27:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

Here's a story the 'mainstream' don't seem to have picked up yet, 'NZ reseacher gains international award':

Click for Blog whoring ;)

10/07/2005 06:31:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Eveing All. After all the vitriol here I am watching the pajama game. Ockers are thrashing the bowling. Russell Brown is such a dick. Could there be just a tad of jealosy that he has not been recognised by the dumb O/O blogs for the celebrity he thinks he is?

10/07/2005 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Evening everyone.

First, I must congratulate all at Sir Humphrey's. This is NZ's premiere RW site and I am filled with admiration at what you have all achieved to date.

Greater things are just around the corner for this site, I can feel it!

Sorry, I'll stop gushing now!!

EXOCET

10/07/2005 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger Murray said...

Yes please.

10/07/2005 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Bugger, that was O/S blogs - overseas that is, for the lefties.

10/07/2005 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Evening all.

10/07/2005 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Gilchrist just hit the fastest one day century ever in Australia, damn it!

10/07/2005 07:19:00 PM  
Blogger Chefen said...

Have you ever tried explaining cricket to a Swede? Try "bowling a maiden over" for starters.

10/07/2005 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

World XI getting another pasting Adolf?

10/07/2005 07:23:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hello everyone!

Chefen, that sounds like fun. Not that I'd be able to explain a game of cricket to anyone.

I'm currently trying to turn spaghetti straps the right way around. Really hard to do, apparently I need a tube turning thingy - which of course I don't have. So the tweezers are slowly and painfully doing it. *Sigh*

I'll disappear when my dinner gets here, but it's real wind and serious rain out there, so I'm hoping my other half gets back intact.

10/07/2005 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Looks like it. Gilchrist bowled by Sehwag.

10/07/2005 07:27:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Lucyna - sounds like fun. Personally I just turn spaghetti by opening the can and upending, but then I'm hardly a gourmet chef. ;-)

Adolf - kind of a pity (the pasting, not Gilchrist). I suppose the crowd is just as bad?

10/07/2005 07:39:00 PM  
Blogger Whaleoil said...

Hi guys...don't 'spose Wussell will be along tonight?

10/07/2005 07:43:00 PM  
Blogger Murray said...

Apprently his feelings get hurt when people point out the minor plot holes in his work.

10/07/2005 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger Chefen said...

whaleoil, probably not, but he seems to go in as anonymous round here sometimes.

10/07/2005 07:45:00 PM  
Blogger Whaleoil said...

Wot a sook...anonymous...can't he even get a decent pseudonym...wait maybe Russell Brown IS a pseudonym. Maybe his real name is Richard Cranium.

10/07/2005 07:46:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

No, pretty docile actually.

Does anyone know anything about the ackers creature? Seems to be terribly stuck on stupid. For a while I thought there were some similarities with that Tasmanian womble called Lloyd who has done to ground. Remember him? Do they change their names after they have worn out their welcomes?

10/07/2005 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Lucyna, what martial art were/are you doing?

10/07/2005 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

And to all bloggers here: how did the instalanche feel? You've hit it big time guys, congratulations!

10/07/2005 07:48:00 PM  
Blogger Whaleoil said...

Ackers is a pathological communist based on his postings....seems also to be an Al Qaeda apologist.

Has anyone got his IP address he posts from?

10/07/2005 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Berend, I did tae kwon do until I tore a ligament in my leg. Then tried out softer styles - aikido and tai chi, but never really got into them. I have been thinking about doing a martial art again, but probably something a bit more fun - like a sword form.

10/07/2005 07:53:00 PM  
Blogger Murray said...

I remember my first instalanche... three days after launching.

Nothing like a blogger being shut down ilegally by his employer to attract attention.

10/07/2005 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hmmm, ackers is still ackers1. Never did get any explanation from the guy as to why the 1. Why not just be called ackers?

Ok, so the 1 annoys me.

10/07/2005 08:04:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Speaking of annoying things, does it bug anyone else that when you click on the comments box that it immediately puts your cursor in the "leave your comment" text box?

It just drive me insane.

10/07/2005 08:08:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Yes, it annoys me too, especially when it is a very long thread...and you want to start reading from the beginning.

10/07/2005 08:10:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Ackers1 is definitely not stupid. Just the usual case of the seriously different weightings get applied to different events.

Same deal with RB. People's ability (or should I say problem) with applying filters to incoming information really stuffs up thought processing. Obviously, the same deal cuts both ways. I like the fact Ackers1 perseveres with commenting. Unless it was his job - that would change my opinion - folks like him, and Tane are good for attempting the engagement, as they usually try to explain themselves.

Given that I was a lefty-inclined thinker, I sometimes think I get glimpses of the same thought processes. (Did I evolve or regress?)

The one point I'd make to the blogosphere in general is that the nature of the blogs tends to acidify the commenting more than other mediums. It takes extra effort to remain totally polite - so it needn't be as big a deal when people slip up. We could all lighten up and hold less grudges. That doesn't mean we stop fisking and disagreeing however. These guys are still crazy, from an ideological perspective. You don't give a kid a loaded gun without some instruction.

The exception to that rule are the specific trolls that get way beyond rude. Roadkill (aka WHAM, Fleur, spooks) is a good example of crossing the line.

Well, that's the way I see it.

10/07/2005 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lucyna.."..- like a sword form..."

and you questioned my metal breastplate/ululating call...?

ain't fair guv..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/07/2005 08:11:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Phil, put Zena out of your mind.

I was not questioning, merely mentioning imagination.

So there.

10/07/2005 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

I have no problem with persistent lefties, though Ackers misses the point most of the time. Tane and Pyscho Milt make good points, even when I dive in with the old minigun. I do dislike the people who post anonymous one-off comments. How is it possible to maintain a dialogue if you don't know what a commenter has previously said?

10/07/2005 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

We've been linked by Biased-BBC, which means the people at the BBC Online will now be aware of the video critique. We've also received incoming hits from a forum hosted on the site of a BBC UK news show.

Pity I can't get access to the AP/Reuters online photo archives.

10/07/2005 08:25:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

AL - you could disable anonymous comments. At least by using WordPress folks will be able to sign up for an account perhaps feeling a little safer about it than on blogger, if you force them to sign up for an account.

10/07/2005 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Ryan said...

Evening all ... I have just had a browse through TopSpin, great work!

So, now the BBC (one-off) and the ABC Australia have independent bodies to deal with compliants or claims of instutionalised bias.

How rigourous is the TVNZ complaints procedure? And does it have an independent adjucator?

10/07/2005 08:32:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

It doesn't really seem that we are that much busier - hardly any new people are commenting!

10/07/2005 08:34:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

AL, I agree about the anonimi - they annoy me as well. Those that leave their names, not a problem. Those that don't, now how rude is that?

10/07/2005 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Darn it, the safety pin does not work! Back to the tweezers ...

10/07/2005 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Ockers made 329.

10/07/2005 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Not a bad effort at all. Wonder if the World XI will make 200?

10/07/2005 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Lucyna, what belt where you?

Another thing you could have a look at is stick fighting. New Zealand is lucky to be quite close to the source of development of this in the Philipines, there's some good clubs in Auckland.

10/07/2005 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

I was viewing the visitor stats. We've had quite a few .mil visitors over the last few days, and folks from all over the world. Welcome guys!

A special hello to Medicine Hat, Alberta. Been there once. Didn't stay long enough, unfortunately:

Medicine Hat is located in southeastern Alberta, approximately 300 kilometers (186 miles) southeast of Calgary, and 160 kilometers (99 miles) north of the United States border. The Trans-Canada Highway #1 and Highway #3, run directly through Medicine Hat. Most surface transportation heading across the country passes through Medicine Hat. Medicine Hat is situated on the CPR mainline.

The city’s area is 120 square kilometers (45 square miles), and its elevation is 721 meters (2,365 feet).
Population

The Official Population of Medicine Hat as of June 30, 2005 is 56,048.

This makes Medicine Hat the fifth largest city in Alberta.

10/07/2005 09:05:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Berend - pretty sure there's a club in Wellington as well. I met a guy a couple of years ago who was into stick fighting.

10/07/2005 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting comments you made Zen, you stated that you were a left leaning thinker - this would infer that somewhere along the way you 'converted'.

If I may ask, what triggered your 'conversion'?.

It seems to me that people generally go from 'left' to 'right' in their politcal and philisophical leanings, not the other way around.

EXOCET

10/07/2005 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lucyna..what is the difference between anon and a pseudonym..?

why is one bad ...and the other good..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/07/2005 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

They'll either cave in before 200 or go on to win in swash buckling style. It's past my bed time but I might just have to watch the first five or ten overs.

10/07/2005 09:21:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Berend, I had to stop right before my green belt grading.

Stick fighting could be good too. Not quite yet ready to do something about this yet, though.

Phil, the difference is with a pseudonym at least you know you are talking to the same person, even if you don't know who they are. With anon, they could be someone you've talked to before - or not.

10/07/2005 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

ok, where has everyone gone?

10/07/2005 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger Chefen said...

Working hard here Lucyna. Nearly lunch time too!

10/07/2005 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

I don't know. I'm here, kind of. Dividing my attention between watching the cricket and trying to get my RSS producing script to produce validating code.

10/07/2005 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Hi Exocet - sorry for the delayed response - been away from the desk for a while.

Yes, I'd characterise myself as an ex-leftie. As corny as it sounds, I think having kids was the initial trigger to thinking more about the world we live in, and what it might mean for my children growing up made me take a greater interest in politics and history.

Expanding from this point would take a big post - one I started a while ago but haven't worked out how to finish.

A good starting point (to over simplify) might be to simply read "The Watchmen" by Alan Moore: Here's a blurb, but it's the kind of story that will take people to different places.

The Watchmen

BTW, its a comic, but it did win the Hugo award and redefined comic book stories at the time.

10/07/2005 10:16:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Oh good, people are around!

Nothing very interesting to talk about, is there?

10/07/2005 10:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Bryan said...

Couldn't remember password and battling to create new identity, other than 'Anonymous'.

'Annoying Mouse' didn't work.

10/07/2005 10:20:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Yeah, not a huge lot of interesting stuff at the moment. Guess we need to have another election or something.

10/07/2005 10:21:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

80 off the first ten overs for one wicket. Not bad. That Gale is a BIG MUTHA!!!!

10/07/2005 10:22:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Well I'll be - I seem to have fixed my problem by pulling out the DOCTYPE... counter intuitive really.

Now I just have to get it to show the more recent entries first, instead of the other way around.

10/07/2005 10:25:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hi Bryan, haven't seen you around here for a while! How have you been?

Adolf, is the storm up around your way as well?

10/07/2005 10:25:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Yes, it's an exciting match adolf - a couple of lucky hits there though. That pull through mid-wicket that went for four and the knick that went high-behind the keeper for four could have been fatal.

10/07/2005 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Bryan said...

Here's something that flowed from my pen...er keyboard. What is the etiquette here?

Should I mention that I posted it on Biased BBC?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from the Palestinian leadership:
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

The World Service just mentioned on their newscast that spokespeople for George Bush strongly denied the above quote. But I think that the Palestinians' claim that George mentioned God could be the very first completely truthful thing the Palestinians have said in connection with this conflict. Shortly after Saddam invaded Kuwait, a letter-writer to a newspaper alerted me to an extraordinary biblical prophecy. I'm no bible-puncher, and have no agenda in relating this info other than pure gobsmackedness:

....for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea....For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day....

Isiah 34, 5-10


Remember Bush's comment about a 'crusade' in the Middle East?! And how Middle Easterners jumped on him for it?

The PC people at the White House don't want a repetition of what they see as an unfortunate blunder. But all they are doing is making it easier for the enemy to dictate the terms of debate in this war.

The conflict is as much about Judeo-Christian values vs Islam as it is about West vs East and, of course, civilization vs barbarism.

10/07/2005 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zen:

Yes I've read the Watchmen, and it's one of the best stories I've ever read (I'm a big fan of graphic novels).

You say the having kids made you an ex-leftie - it is interesting to me to find out the mechanisims that drive someone to such a major philisophical change. I'm an Engineer, so I always want to know how things work - and that goes for people too!

EXOCET

10/07/2005 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zen:

Yes I've read the Watchmen, and it's one of the best stories I've ever read (I'm a big fan of graphic novels).

You say the having kids made you an ex-leftie - it is interesting to me to find out the mechanisims that drive someone to such a major philisophical change. I'm an Engineer, so I always want to know how things work - and that goes for people too!

EXOCET

10/07/2005 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whoops, sorry about the double post!

EXOCET

10/07/2005 10:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Bryan said...

Hi Lucyna,

Doing OK thanks and yourself?

Still struggling with computer-illiteracy.

When I choose 'Other' under 'Identity' it wont let me preview the comment.

10/07/2005 10:35:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Lucyna, I was just gone watching Babylon 5 with my wife :-)

And I've had enough of elections for now.

10/07/2005 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Berend - you have the B5 DVD collection? I want those, but my education wants the cash more...

10/07/2005 10:43:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Hmmm, how am I? Pretty good.

I just got my learner's license this week, so I'm very happy about that. Had to sit a test and get 32 out of 35 questions right - I got 35 right. Now I just have to learn how to drive.

Berend, you just reminded me - Alias is on very soon - must go and set the TV up ...

10/07/2005 10:49:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Past my beddie byes time. See y'all.

10/07/2005 11:01:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Exocet - glad you liked the Watchmen too. The bit I was thinking about was the whole interplay between "the ends justifies the means" and the need to tell the truth, irrespective of the consequences. Interesting thoughts.

This relates a little to the process I went through as I tried to piece together the bits of information I knew about as I took more interest in politics and history.

It soon seemed apparent that the MSM were pushing one part of the story and ignoring many other parts. When one only gets part of the story, it tends to make one suspicious.

As I uncovered more information that was at odds with the bigger issues, I started wondering why? Is it the old "you can't handle the truth - so we just feed you what you need to hear?"

Having run my own business, which involved working with all levels of government and business, I already had developed a perspective on government expenditure, decision making, policy development and work ethic.

I'd studied Political Science, Political Philosophy and History at University, so already had the standard left-leaning education.

I'd done a bit of training to be able to detach from ideas and feelings, which I think helps with the evaluation of lots of new data.

As I researched things more, they just didn't add up unless I made a philosophical shift.

I don't think our western system is perfect by any means, and I'd like to be part of changing it for the better. A radical shift to the left, to my mind, is not going to be a positive way of achieving this. We also, as a society, need to keep in mind external forces, which by their nature, are more easily ignored or their significance under-estimated. Equally, we can over demonise what we don't understand, but that is not the point at the moment.

Oops - going overboard on the Friday night thing. Don't want to bore every-one with my ramblings. I've save it for a post at Zen State that people can ignore as they hunt for the jokes... :-)

I like my current one with the "Torn" song. (Shameless plug - but it is funny.)

10/07/2005 11:20:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Night Adolf!

10/07/2005 11:21:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Interesting stuff Zen.

For my part, I was sympathetic to Labour when I was 14 (the innocence of youth? ;-)), but swang to National when I started to explore my religious beliefs...and came out conservative. Not sure when I started to move towards economic liberalism, but around about the same time I think, for no discernable reason (other than 5th Form Accounting and Economics?). Last year I settled with neo-liberalism (once I learnt the different ideologies, was "indoctrinated" in my first year economics papers and realised I liked monetarism more than I liked keynesian policies outside a deep depression) to go with that.

10/07/2005 11:30:00 PM  
Blogger Ashley Clarkson said...

Not looking good for the World XI. Well, things seem quiet here sadly, so I will head off to bed and catch up on some sleep.

Goodnight all!

10/07/2005 11:40:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Nice summary Ashley. That would have taken me twice as long to say!

Catch you later.

10/07/2005 11:47:00 PM  
Blogger Lagwolf said...

Sorry for being so late to get into the FNFFA. I got up late today after being at the Tory Party conf then off to a schmooze/contact event for creative industry types. Out until about 1 schmoozing with a bunch of actresses, models and a few muso/director types. It was an interesting experience...lets just say I am looking forward to the next one in a few week's time.

10/08/2005 02:44:00 AM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Thrashed again!!!!! The one good thing about it all is the experimentation with the use of technology for assisting the umpires. Bring it on, particularly LBW decisions.

10/08/2005 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Hai Ashley, I borrowed the Babylon 5 DVDs as well :-)

10/08/2005 09:05:00 AM  

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