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Friday, October 07, 2005

Educating the Parents by Chris Trotter

Chris Trotter has really out done himself today. Not only has he tried and failed to tangle his convoluted thinking around the Right, but he proved the absolute imbecility of the Left from whence he comes. Initially I just thought he was a Stalinist apologist for his erroneous comments last year on the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.

But this, this really cements his place as an utter moron, willing to take reality TV entertainment as proof, proof I tell you!, that all parents have no idea how to raise their kids and instead must rely on the repeal of Section 59 of the Crimes Act to stop them from constantly belting their toddlers with cords.

Oh and needing Super Nanny to tell them what to do. Because without Super Nanny, parents might think that they actually know what they are doing - never mind that his whole argument is negated by Super Nanny actually helping the parents - someone must have asked Super Nanny for help! Could that have been the parents? Maybe the parents actually thought they needed so much help that they would do anything, even embarrass themselves on reality TV just to get the help they so desperately needed. And this is somehow proof that all of us are just like them.

Yeah, right Chris. Grow up. Maybe you are the one that needs "educating".

Posted by Lucia Maria | 10/07/2005 01:45:00 PM

19 Comments:

Blogger ZenTiger said...

OK. I'm going to fisk this in detail over the week-end. There are just too many statements he makes that need to be answered.

10/07/2005 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gee lucyna..i've disagreed with trotter on many an occaison..but he is right on the money with this one..

'leave it to the parents'..indeed...their
ignorance is a large part of the problem..certainly not the solution..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/07/2005 02:22:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Phil, backing out of the room slowly at this point would be a good thing.

10/07/2005 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never saw where it said "..as proof, proof I tell you!, that all parents have no idea how to raise their kids.." I guess I look forward to the extrapolations that will be called a fisking of this.

- Wind up

10/07/2005 03:10:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Not that you would pre-judge these things, of course.

10/07/2005 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course not, I am interested to see what you have to say.

Wondering too whether Lucyna is thinking of thrashing Phil to within an inch of his life.

Maybe that will get him "with the program"

- Wind up

10/07/2005 04:27:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Glad to hear it Wind up. I'll be sure to reduce the rhetoric, given that it appears my audience might stay to the end of the whole post.

Now how did you get Lucyna's concern for Phil's safety as a suggestion of assault? I was impressed with the humanitarian aspect of her advice, or was it a maternal instinct kicking in towards the child-like innocence Phil sometimes displays?

10/07/2005 04:33:00 PM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

Suitable name windup.

There's a delicious irony in a government-loving leftie citing with approval a for-profit TV show about parents inviting a nanny into their homes to teach them how to raise their children.

I wonder how much the parents are paid for their participation?

10/07/2005 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cor..i took it as a threat she was going to slap on the metal breast-plates..and start ululating...(then i'd be for it)..

(whatever you do..no polish jokes..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/07/2005 05:05:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Such imaginations ...

10/07/2005 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you mean by "their" ignorance, phule?

Kimble

10/07/2005 05:16:00 PM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

hey no nitpicking about the 'theirs', I just did one myself and didn't catch it before i hit the button.

One day we'll be able to edit the comments. Ahhh....

10/07/2005 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a problem with the "their" he used, AL. The problem is with phule being a parent himself but inexplicably excluding himself from the 'ignorant' population.

Kimble

10/07/2005 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

qh..i see kimble..i thought you were being a misguided grammer nazi..

well obviously..the parental ignorance label is earned by those who inflict pain as a discipline tool..

it's as simple as that..kimble..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/07/2005 07:38:00 PM  
Blogger Psycho Milt said...

I've only ever seen one of these programs, and it seemed like a straight no-brainer - the kid wouldn't do anything his mother told him to do, and the nanny showed the mother how to impose some discipline on the child (without shortcutting to giving him the bloody good hiding I would have administered, which is I presume why no-one invites me on these shows). It did astound me that a parent can openly admit to never having stood up to the child in any way shape or form, then profess ignorance as to why the child won't do what he's told. Well, duh.

Anyway, if that program was typical, it's hard to see what Trotter's going on about. The problem seems to be that the parents don't impose any discipline at all, not that they only use violence to impose it.

10/07/2005 08:29:00 PM  
Anonymous george said...

I for one am past the point of being bemused by pathetic parents and their disagreeable children.

The supermarket is a grand place to watch all kids try it on. They have the instinct that gives them the high ground; mum does not want to raise a scene and bratboy plays her like a harp.

Scenes of reasoning cajoling and wheedling are played out with all sorts of goodies promised if the child will stop embarressing mummy[who is often addressed by her first name]

This process can be observed in real adult life in the Labour Greens coalition talks.

All this could be short circuited to the public's gratification by giving the little bastard a flick around the bum. He will stop howling. He will be reluctant to try it again.

This is what used to be called a lesson. It modifies behaviour. Parents need to be able to give a firm order and expect to have it obeyed.

The basics are: identifying the one being spoken to, Telling them what to do, telling them when to do it. And if they dont comply tell them what consequence will follow. Administer the consequence.

Chris Trotter's advice is puke.
Pass the sick bag.

10/08/2005 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on Zentiger -- fisk, fisk!

- Wind up

10/09/2005 09:20:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Geez, you'd think some-one would be allowed a little time off!

OK. But it's on your head that my lawn is not cut, and my personal hygiene may suffer!

10/09/2005 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

blah blah

- Wind up

10/10/2005 11:01:00 AM  

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