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Sunday, October 09, 2005

Beating the Burning Bush

This post is the second part to: Spot the Difference

And the over-riding point of the Greens bashing the Burning Bush?

The left are developing a strong, fervent dislike for all things Christian. They are attempting to make it seem dirty to believe in God. They tolerate, even defend, radical Islamic folk whom Allah is guiding to end Western civilisation, but scream their lungs out because Brash accepted a meeting with the EB. And its bad that Bush believes in God. Obviously, pushing this anti-God stance takes time and effort. It’s going to help if you can make out that God talks to Bush. Gather together any information, from any source, and make out Bush is crazy.

So, even with the source of the latest rubbish being a political opponent of Bush, a Palestinian whose own leader refuted what he claimed Bush said in a meeting, the Greens hold on to their opinion, because "this latest round of Bush weirdness, cannot be regarded as plausibly deniable." That is, this latest round of manufactured weirdness cannot be regarded as “plausibly deniable”, therefore, it must be true. I'm not sure Logix is living up to his name with that bit of thinking.

This is why Greens are regarded as scary. They are as dogmatic about their own belief system as the strongest of religious sects. Look through the entire Frog Blog and note comments concerning Jeanette Fitzsimons. She isn't just spoken of as a co-leader, but more as a pure white goddess of the party.

One day their dogma will be run over by their karma.
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Posted by ZenTiger | 10/09/2005 11:20:00 AM

40 Comments:

Blogger Jack Bauer said...

We need to find out what are the "root causes" of fundamental Leftism/Greenism (Yes I know, it’s no fun being a leftist, yes they are mental - and they now fully incorporate the alleged “greens”.)

From my initial observations it's clear that all fundamental leftists slash greens share certain, what mental health experts call, “symptoms.”

These are many and varied but can include a Pavlovian frothing at the mouth when shown a photograph of George Bush; wild bug eyes when anyone disagree with them; an inability to articulate complex thoughts; a pathological desire to call people “Nazis,” while actually acting like a “Nazi.”

What causes this, nobody really knows. Though Soros-funded scientists have been working on the problem for years. Like autism, some even speculate that it may be the result of the triple MMR vaccination as babies.

These things we know. Leftists are convinced of their own moral superiority – even though billions have died in the name of leftist ideologies.

They are incapable of learning from history – so they believe in bizarre collectivist rituals called “socialism” and “communism”, despite over 200 years of experience which proves conclusively that it doesn’t work and in fact, leads to poverty, penury and starvation.

They believe that increased taxation is the answer to all society’s problems. So when tax is at 100%, it will be a workers’ paradise on earth.

They hate free speech for anyone except themselves.

Maybe one day. In the meantime let’s keep working on those “root causes.”

10/09/2005 12:47:00 PM  
Blogger Gman said...

I don't think this will hurt Bush.

What these people hate to admit is that america is a deeply religious country.

10/09/2005 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger Chefen said...

Well frogblog was created for the election, the election is over so what is it supposed to do now? The Greens are sitting round to see what tidbits Helen will offer them, they lost an MP and came dangerously close to exiting altogether. When you need to divert attention, who is better than W?

10/09/2005 09:11:00 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

"And, Bin Laden's taunts are slyer than Bush reads them, since they are designed to draw the US into a quagmire in the Muslim world where Muslim radicals can do to US troops what they had earlier done to Soviet ones in Afghanistan. The taunt is a trap. Bush is too thick to avoid the trap being laid for him." - Juan Cole

Thoughts?

10/09/2005 09:56:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Ha! A trap? If it is the trap, then he isn't counting on the size of the prey.

10/09/2005 11:17:00 PM  
Blogger Paul said...

I do think we get ourselves a little caught up with the Greens, I mean Fitzsimmons a goddess(?), with those teeth, hair, composting toilet and I imagine, the breath to go with organic toothpaste ... I prefer my goddesses to be sub-35 with bodies that distract one from the bikini.

No, the Greens are just plain weird. A Burka would do wonders for Jeanette.

10/09/2005 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger Wanderlust said...

Just wanted to say that I enjoy reading this blog, as I am a transplanted Yank now living at the bottom of South Island.

It's incredibly refreshing to find NZers who understand larger issues regarding the middle east, islamofascism, and the Left's apparent suicidal tendencies against the freedoms it claims to hold so dear.

I recently read a good treatise on why the Left trashes Christianity so easily, whilst walking on proverbial eggshells regarding Islam. It's simple, really: Christians don't tend to strap on bomb belts or behead you if you speak against their religion. Islamists do - at least, fundamentalist ones, who outnumber many times over the number of extreme fundamentalist Christians, who at their worst bomb abortion clinics, perhaps, but nothing more.

Enrage a fundamentalist Christian, and typically the worst you get is preached at about the dangers of sin, lust, and being left behind at the Rapture (assuming said fundamentalist is a pre-tribulationist regarding such things).

Enrage a fundamentalist Muslim, and you may lose your head over it. Literally.

So the Left flogs Christians because it is safe, but they revere Muslims because to risk offending them could mean death threats.

And of all people, you'd think the feminist and gay/lesbian groups would understand this most.

I challenge those two groups to a test: send a feminist and a homosexual male into a fundamentalist Christian church congregation and let them rant about how unfair the Christian God is, regarding their "rights". The worst they will get is a quick ushering out of the building.

But try that at any mosque, especially one in Europe or the Middle East, and I bet you my last dollar that they won't walk out of the building alive.

Anyone up for that dare?

10/10/2005 01:50:00 AM  
Blogger Chefen said...

Roger.
Thoughts? Cole is a fool. A half blind goat herder in the Khyber Pass can see that bin Laden is not pulling the coalition forces into the Soviet trap, if anything things are going the opposite way in strictly military terms. Anyway, what does it have to do with the Greens' God complex?

10/10/2005 03:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ha ha..raving rightwing loony from america living in our deep south finds succour from the kiwi model....

so ..wanderlust..leftish opposition to the invasion of iraq is based purely upon the lefts' craven fear of muslims..?...eh?..(they are just all cowards..aren't they wanderlust..those leftie/commies..)

you're a real hoot..aren't you..

btw..i'd stay in the deep south if i was you...far too many lefties/asians/people of colour, up around these parts..
you know it will only upset you if you have to see them walking around the streets..so you're actually better off hanging in that white-flight ghetto down there..(other warmer options for you are nelson and tauranga..)

(aah..those pure incandescent prejudices against everyone else that are held by the 'outlanders'..you'll find comfort and companionship there..i'm sure...)

but don't stop posting comments will you..?..wanderlust...i can see you and your ramblings will/could be a source of much involuntary humour...(and it'll be good to have a house rightwing yank to take the piss out of on a regular basis....eh..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

btw ..have you met adolf yet..?..he is our local expert on phrenology..if you're lucky he'll feel your bumps..:)

10/10/2005 04:57:00 AM  
Blogger Psycho Milt said...

Ya beat me to it, Phil. Ah, what the hell, now that I'm here: are we so short of right-wing loonies that we have to import them from the States now?

10/10/2005 05:10:00 AM  
Blogger Psycho Milt said...

And while I'm at it - Jack Bauer: if I was willing to waste 10 minutes on the project, I could come up with a bunch of bullshit insulting "symptoms" of right-wingness, but it would just be pointless and offensive. Wouldn't it?

10/10/2005 05:12:00 AM  
Blogger Antarctic Lemur said...

If you guys can't pretend to be civil towards people who have said nothing negative about you personally nor anything derogatory in general then please comment elsewhere.

10/10/2005 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

SoPM, Whenya gonna send your lesbo/femmo into the mosque? The man makes a very good point. And dear dick phil, Tim Tim Shadbolt a right winger? When did you last go to invercargill? You'd better keep away boy, ot the Bros'll gethca.

10/10/2005 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All lefties are the same, they resort to shrill accusations and name calling, when they have no answer to a comment. Wonderlust raised a good few points. The lefties bite hard don't they? Hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of Angling Times.

10/10/2005 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Calm down guys!

My 2 cents worth: Jack Bauer expresses a generalised rant against the left, and I can understand how that can get you going. But how is it different than respected columnist Chris Trotter doing a newspaper piece saying "the truth is the Right does not believe in treating every person like an individual..."

That generalised piece of offensive crap was lauded by Phil, and the DomPost editor does not see fit to restrain Mr Trotter from making such slurs.

I can put up with the generalised rants from both sides, but please try to stay on topic and add to the original point.

Hiving off into personal attacks is the one thing that usually guarantees a rapid escalation of vitriol.

Please also remember that Jack Bauer has saved the world at least twice and deserves a little respect.

10/10/2005 08:44:00 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

Chefen - nothing. I was just wanting to hear your thoughts, and there was no other way to get them.

10/10/2005 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger rightsaidsteve said...

the lefts toadyism towards Islamic militants is entirely predictable and expected.
Greenies,feminists,one worlders,Clarkists,socialists,guardian journalsits,tvnzers and Islamic nut case terror fascists all have one thing in common and that is a hatred of Western civilisation values and individual freedom and more particular a pathalogical hatred of the USA, because they see the USA as the only thing standing between them and the implimentation of their particular deranged utopian fantasies.'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'.
This is why we see the comical coupling between the marxists greens and the fascists Islamics , a match made in heaven, hatred is still the most unifying force on the planet

10/10/2005 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

al..i thought you all were all self-admitted raving rightwing loonies..(in the nicest possible way of course..).and that you cluster together for reassurance/protection..hence sir humphreys..(it's a dark and lonely world out there for the far-right..)
so that term isn't abusing...it's accurate description..

i mean ..if that isn't you lot..can you point me in the direction of the really, really raving rightwing loonies...?

and wanderlust was creaming all over his keyboard at finding you...instead of (in his own words)lefties who are 'suicidal against freedom'..(whatever that means..)

then of course we can move to the reasoned words of jack bauer..can't we..?
on leftists..(such as me ..and al..i was so hurt by his words..)

mental..pavlovian frothing..bug eyes....act like nazis (yes,it's a pun)..autistic..hate free speech...

these are reasoned musings are they al..?..can i suggest you take that eye-patch off..al..it's making you one-eyed..eh..?

and adolf..i think it is some time since shadbolt was a leftie....

shadbolt has become the peter dunne of local government.."i'll go with whoever will have me"...the original carpetbagger..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/10/2005 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rightsaidsteve..have you met wanderlust yet....
?..could be a marriage made in heaven...you could froth together..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/10/2005 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

zen..".."the truth is the Right does not believe in treating every person like an individual..."

how is that innacurate...that the left cares for individuals is shown by the social parachutes they promote/deploy..whereas to the right..individuals are just components in an economic formula....with 'tough shit'and 'to the gutter with you' being the attitude towards those who, for whatever reason, have to lean on the state...(better hope it's never you ..eh..?)
i guess it comes down to collective good vs individual good..with the right firmly in the camp of the latter...

so zen..how is trotters' statement of fact inaccurate..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/10/2005 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

though i must confess a grudging admiration for the mangled metaphors of "..their dogma will be run over by their karma"..i'm pretty sure that's an original...(especially as an implied cassandra call..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/10/2005 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger rightsaidsteve said...

phil, insults and slapdowns instead of dealing with the issues how predictable.
If a hatred of the USA and Western civilisation is not the glue that binds the loonie left and the Islamofascists in their pornographis tryst from hell, then what is it? tell us because I for one would love to know

10/10/2005 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh just fuck right off phule. Righties dont really care about the individual? When it is the basis of our beliefs? r-i-i-i-g-h-T!

How bout this right-back-atcha?

Lefties dont really care about the environment, lefties dont really care about endangered animals, lefties dont really care about basic human rights.

Exactly how am I wrong.

I am sick of half educated leftoid twats telling me what I feel, who I am and what I care about based upon a cartoonish, superficial, delusional, day-dream about what they think a rightie is. Like you would even know the first thing about WHY we have the ideals and opinions we do!

Kimble

10/10/2005 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

phil, my dogma once got run over by a karma and I had to take him to the vetma who gave me a billma. The treatmernt was all done by remote control, you see, he was dogmatic.

Just thought I'd raise the tone a little.

10/10/2005 12:33:00 PM  
Blogger JamesP said...

The left may *think* that showering people with "social parachutes" is caring for individuals but the intentions of any given policy are irrelevant. Noble aspirations can result in bad policy just as selfish aspirations can result in good policy. It is the policy results that matter. Just because the left talk a lot about the "collective good" does not automatically make their plan better viz. Communism.

I also call BS on your "to the gutter with you" comment. All of the parties in parliament recognise the need for a social safety net. The debate is about the scope, level, and targeting of that spending.

10/10/2005 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe to the gutter was a bit rich...sort of....but at least some of you feel that way...wanting no scope, no level, and no targeting..

btw adolf...i hear it is very painful when it actually happens..when your dogma gets run over by your karma...usually ends in hospitalisation..and a long recovery period..so i've heard...with no political excitment of any sort...

that's sorta what just happened to national..eh..?..it's dogma (actite/rightwing) got run over by it's karma (memories of how bad it was last time)...pretty close..eh zen..?
(it's always good to turn something on it's head..eh..?..and in the words of kumble..'back at ya'

btw james..why is everything a bit to the left of you automatically communism..?..it really lessens your message ...eh..and takes on qualities of illogical hysteria...chill out sunshine..

and of course then there is old kumble...(approx 45 yrs old/male/wide girth/balding/angry..that's my guess anyway..)
he's always good for a fevered vent..and once again..he hasn't disappointed us...

and kumble..as to why you have the beliefs you do..it's the politics of greed isn't it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz.

10/10/2005 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm amazed that Phil manages to write so much just using his left hand.

10/10/2005 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sick of half educated leftoid twats telling me what I feel, who I am and what I care about based upon a cartoonish, superficial, delusional, day-dream about what they think a rightie is.

Kimble

10/10/2005 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and btw, phule, if it helps any. 76. Female (by choice). Lesbian. The rest is about right though.

Kimble

10/10/2005 04:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm ambidextrous anon....

kimble..have i got this right..you are a 76 year old trans/gender(?/sexual(?) lesbian who is balding..wide of girth..and angry...

and why not..i say...

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/10/2005 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Throw in Maori, reconstructed Hindu and multiple amputee war veteran and you will be closer than you were with your guesses.

Kimble

10/10/2005 05:44:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Hmm Kimble, that narrows it down to a few thousand people I know. Then again, I had a recent trip to Mumbai for the tri-annual Saigon Veterans Association of Lesbian Amputees. Let's see, I recall 7 by the name of Kim. Four by the nickname of "Bull", and three that drunk themselves legless within the first 15 minutes of the opening dinner.

10/10/2005 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger JamesP said...

A cutting riposte there Phule only slightly marred by the fact I said no such thing.

10/10/2005 08:51:00 PM  
Blogger Jack Bauer said...

Actually Zentiger my "rant" was not generalized. It was quite specific about fundamental leftoids.

I'm sure the fool and "psycho limp" are sitting in their Ernie Guevara T-Shirts and grey Y-Fronts as we speak. Trying to explain why the left never met a malignant narcissist murderer they didn't like. As they congratulate themselves on their tolerance.

Find ten minutes to shove this one in a dark place "psycho": conservatives don't sit around thinking it's "cool" wearing Nazi regalia.

But check out the next poorly attended leftoid demo and look at all the people wearing all those commie "symbols" of a warped ideology that's murdered, tortured, tormented and imprisoned untold millions.

Get that "psycho"? And I ain't calling you a commie. I'm saying leftoids (quite specifically) have a brazen indifference to their disgusting crimes.

We conservatives really must get to the "root causes" of this braindead psychology.

10/11/2005 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jack ..jack..such a heavy load you are carrying there..
but as for me..i've never owned a che guevara t-shirt or grey y fronts..(sensible cotton boxers for me..laddie..)(and i have actually written of being embarrassed by/for a particular tosser clad in a che shirt....)

now..'malignant narcissist murderers' we may not like..?...um..how about george w bush...?..he's one 'malignant narcissist murderer' i don't think we are too keen on...

and as for poorly attended leftie demos.....show me some examples of well attended rightie demos..will you..?

and btw..would you like a list of historical rightwing atrocities jack...(have you borrowed als' eye-patch recently..or are you always so one-eyed..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/11/2005 06:33:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Phil...the shrub doesn't count. He's on the right, and you'd disown Mother Theresa if she voted National. She'd probably have a full opinion piece in the Dom Post questioning her ethics and motivations by lunch time...and we all know right wing crimes were committed by ex-lefties or righties in response to lefties, that were forced into a pre-emptive strike...that the well documented evidence was skewed by the lefty propaganda machine....Saddam murdered a few hundred thousand? Yes, but the US traded with him in the early days, we lefties said that was dishonest...so when he was deposed we lefties said that was dishonest...

...hey this arguing on the same level as you is quite fun. You don't even have to make sense but you can score points...

10/11/2005 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

zen.."..You don't even have to make sense.."

what didn't you understand..?...tell me..and i'll walk you through it....

phil(whoar.co.nz)

10/11/2005 10:11:00 AM  
Blogger Jack Bauer said...

Phil Phil Phil... Laddie Laddie Laddie, are you ever going to say anything remotely sensible? The only load I carry is the one to unload on childish leftoids.

I have no interest in trading demos with you. Who cares?

Conservatives rarely arrange or attend "demos" anyway. We leave that generally narcissistic activity to the kids on the left.

We don't need to clump together like a few hundred leftoids to make ourselves feel good.

I'll try to spell this out simply for you, as you you seem to be exhibiting one of the "root causes" of fundamental leftism: NO SHAME.

THE LEFT... has no problem supporting the "leaders" and regimes who kill, enslave, and repress all for the cause. Allende, Castro, Guevara, Mao, Arafat, McGuinness, Chavez, Hamas, PLO, Kim Jong Mentally-Ill. Can you believe some people are so shameless that they actually go on demonstrations carrying banners supporing these bastards?

Err, well yes actually. Check out any so-called poorly attended leftoid "demo" worldwide and all you'll see is the same old commie flags, regalia and posters attesting to my proposition.

Show me one "conservative" demo that glorifies mass-murderers. (And don't even bother to bring Bush into this, because 1. that will make you sound even more of a dope, 2. Na, na, na, na, na, doesn't really cut it as an argument.)

Good luck with that by the way.

The left is NOT tolerant, is not open to reason, is not very nice, and seems to be occupied by people with borderline personality disorders.

That's why I'm so interested in getting to the "root causes," so we can help heal those not too far gone.

10/11/2005 11:07:00 PM  
Blogger Wanderlust said...

Phil, Phil, Phil.

Silly man. When you have nothing to say, go for the old faithful ad hominem attack.

Sigh.

I live in the South because I had to come to the far reaches to get a work permit to remain living here. I lived in Auckland eight months prior to shifting here, for work. I've never met Tim [Shadbolt]. He seems to get on generally well with the people down here, but he does have a way (on occasion) of twisting the authority of his office to do certain things.

But I digress.

I did visit your little blog, Phil, and having read a bit of it, I can understand why you post here so much. Words, plenty of them, yes, but little content, and virtually no meaning.

BTW if you don't like opinions stated here in this blog, and its comments section, why do you hang around? Why not go back to your little blog and rant to your heart's content?

Meanwhile, the world moves on. Many parts of the world are a political powder keg, waiting to explode. Much to the chagrin of people who believe that fighting the enemy on his doorstep is safer than fighting him on your own, Hillary will likely become president of the US in 2008. I can only hope she puts John Kerry somewhere prominent in her administration. Kerry never met a leadership opportunity he couldn't obstruct and thwart by burying in committee. It's a match made in leftist heaven.

A likely sampling of other places in president Hillary's world:

China is a tiger whose economy will soon allow its military might to match its bluster on the world stage. Memo to Hillary: cancel the F-22. It's such an expensive plane, and its technology (even as old as it is) far outmatches its rivals. Definitely not fair to China.

North Korea is a snake whose Dear Leader will politically whore himself out to anyone who will buy and sell weapons or drugs. Let that man develop nuclear power. The world will be a much safer place, and we can always send him more humanitarian aid, since his people are literally starving.

Iran is a subtle diplomat on the world's stage, whose government tells the EU-3 where to f*ck off each day. Let them develop nuclear weapons, so they can share liberally that technology with other Islamist dictatorships - er, countries. Hezbollah and Hamas will appreciate being able to arm Qassam rockets with radioactive materials. A nuclear jihad will make the world safe to live in.

A surge of Islamist fundamentalism will tip the balance of Indian-Pakistani detente as Hillary withdraws US power and influence from the world.

Just bide your time, Phil. Bush will be out of office in little over two years, and the world's political landscape will change faster than Mary Jo Kopechne's world changed during a quiet ride home from a party.

Personally, my money is on Kim Jong Il. Islamofascists may be rabid, and the Chinese may be power hungry, but Kim's just plain f*cking NUTS.

10/12/2005 01:11:00 AM  
Blogger Psycho Milt said...

Sorry, never came back to this until now. It's getting kind of old, but I've never known when to leave well enough alone anyway.

AL: as a leftist, I did consider Mr Bauer claiming leftists are mentally ill to be derogatory and a personal insult. And on the same basis I found Wanderlust's accusation of cowardice to be derogatory and personally insulting. But you're right, accusing people of being right-wing loonies is below my usual standard. (Rest assured though, any politeness directed toward these two will be a pretence).

Adolf: Wanderlust made an unsubstantiated claim that moslems would kill someone who stood up to promote gay rights in a mosque. When he can substantiate it I'm willing to give it a hearing. Until then, I'll treat it as unworthy of a reply.

Zen: if Trotter had a comments feature on his article, I'd cheerfully call him a twat for generalising about the right. But he doesn't. I think I did express disagreement with his article here, though.

Jack Bauer: you remind me of those people who rant on at Christians about the inquisition. I can't recall ever supporting any dictatorship - they're generally unsympathetic to libertarians, even the leftist kind. Interesting you should start a roll-call of dictators - who can even name the murderous bagmen of the US that were running Central America for so long? Somehow, unlike Allende (how did he get on this list anyway?) they stayed out of the papers. Conservatives didn't appear at demos for those guys, they far more sensibly stuck to providing equipment, intelligence, military advice and training. Once more for luck - neither side has a monopoly on virtue.

10/12/2005 05:04:00 AM  

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