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Tuesday, August 30, 2005

Excuse me, I'm trying to listen

We have a need in this country to understand the FULL vision of each of the players that determine our future. The MSM, Labour, Greens and every-one who hates National are so busy re-interpreting National’s ideas, and shouting out half-brained translations, we are not hearing all the ideas, nor giving them the same degree of critical analysis.

I would very much like to hear more from the Maori Party on these issues. Can you guys stop ranting so loudly about old news? I’m trying to hear what Turia is saying.

I just heard Tariana Turia on RNZ. Her vision for NZ was Maori Government with veto rights on whatever the "Pakeha" come up with. She repeatedly made the point it was alright for other interest groups (Chinese, Pacific Islanders, Gay Community) to work through MMP, but not Maori as they were here first.

That does seem to be a valid method for protecting Maori culture, but at what cost? I hear every lefty and their well trained dogs telling me National's policies are divisive. The next idiot to tell me that what Turia is proposing is not divisive can watch the Israeli’s moving out of the Gaza strip as a token of appeasement, and seeing how it simply isn’t enough. Now that has happened, the “next step” is becoming clearer.

I doubt “full and final” settlement of treaty claims is the end game. That’s something wanted by all NZ’ers. However, most are under the misguided notion that the word final would mean, final. It does not. Tariana just explained that, and Linda Clark did not pick up on it. I welcome the Maori Party on to the political scene. Perhaps its time has come. We all have an opportunity to spell out our vision for NZ in the next 165 years. We know what National are saying, and once we calm down a little, we might realise it isn't so bad.

Now, will every-one listen a bit harder to what the Maori Party are trying to tell us. It was almost in brown and white this morning, but the echoes of Owera muffled the threat.

Posted by ZenTiger | 8/30/2005 10:28:00 AM

14 Comments:

Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

I'll make a point of listening to the archive. What time was it on?

8/30/2005 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Hi Adolf. The above post was more or less lifted from a comment I left on Frog Blog (thus the "you guys" was speaking directly to Frogs and Toads.

The blurb was on at 9:30am (I think) and featured Turia, Brownlee and Clark.

I think Turia just eroded a fair amount of good will I had towards the Maori Party, but I'd like to hear more before deciding.

8/30/2005 10:43:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Or maybe it was just after 9am, come to think of it....

8/30/2005 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger Keith said...

Turia has been telling us pretty plainly what her vision for N.Z. is for years now. The problem seems to be that people refuse to believe what they hear--a racist agenda that places Maori above all New Zealanders, above "pakeha" laws and beyond the ethical constraints that bind the rest of us.
I believe she means exactly what she says and that the Maori Party reflects that thinking.

8/30/2005 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Ryan said...

I think it's great the Maori party exists, as it contrasts with the rational fair-minded national party position. It helps the flame of debate going on a subject which is postive for National.

8/30/2005 11:36:00 AM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Listen to this folks: http://popularandcompetent.blognz.com/archives/011739.html

8/30/2005 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Very funny, and very timely. I'm glad our popular and competent one deigns to keep us in the loop.

8/30/2005 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Bernard Woolley said...

Blah blah blah, usual disclaimer about online polls, but today's Stuff poll on removing Treaty references from law is timely. I hope they do remove the Maori seats. If they want to have a voice in parliament like every other interest group, they can do it through MMP like the rest of us. If the Maori seats hang around much longer, we'll soon need so Asian and Pacific Island electorates as well...

8/30/2005 12:24:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Turia made the point that other interest groups would never be entitled to anything other than what they could eke out under MMP. Maori were here first, and that is why the MUST have a separate government. She has made it clear this is not about one NZ. It is a smaller group of Maori entitled to all of NZ, because they were here first and they allow us to live along side Maori, providing there is no threat of assimilation. Having one law for all and one government for all reduces them to the same level as any other special interest group, as opposed to their unique status.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but if the outcome is to progress under the rein of a Maori Queen's benevolence, then I feel strangely disenfranchised from my place of birth.

By being born in NZ, I have not decided I own all of it. Same deal for Maori. Getting a few people together to justify a claim of outright ownership dismisses the collective advances and successes we have made over the last 165 years.

8/30/2005 12:34:00 PM  
Blogger Bernard Woolley said...

Well, I'd like to see them run their own government. Where would they get all the money for healthcare and welfare from for starters to care for their own people?

8/30/2005 01:05:00 PM  
Blogger Keith said...

From the taxpayers, Bernard. Where else? Even second-class "guests" have their uses.

8/30/2005 01:16:00 PM  
Blogger spector said...

Seeing as Turia's father was American... does she only have half the rights of other Maori or is she entitled to American rights as well? I guess you could argue that any benefit she gains from being half-maori should automatically get paid to the Native Americans her father took land off... after all the Native Americans were there first.

8/30/2005 01:22:00 PM  
Blogger Keith said...

Brilliant idea, spector. :-)

8/30/2005 01:32:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Bernard, by simply renting the land I imagine. That might require confiscation of any land that has incorrectly ended up in Pakeha hands, but that would solve the issue quite nicely.

8/30/2005 01:42:00 PM  

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