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Sunday, July 24, 2005
Rule 1. Don't run from armed men the day after terrorist attacks
So according to the British police the guy they shot after trailing wasn't a terrorist. He just ran away from them after approaching a tube station.
Well, tragic as it is, what do people expect the police to do? Within two weeks you have multiple bomb blasts killing dozens of people with no reason to expect a let up. Of course giving shoot to kill orders in a civil society are a bad thing and I don't really expect the police like it much either. But imagine being the bobby who hesitated and watches a bus disappear.
The Islamic Human Rights Commission is "afraid that innocent people will die because of the police's new rules".
Well no shit. I think you will find that is precisely why the police are doing it. Remember all those innocent people a couple of weeks ago? When it comes to mass murder, the numbers say take a hardline because you'll save more people that way. Tough, but such is life.
The main thing to remember is who is bringing this down on society. Not the cops. Not Blair. Not some fatcat cabal intent on taking over society. No, it's the terrorists. I'm sure all those out there who are expert in the deployment of root-causes arguments can word it much better than "Sorry missus, but your son was running away from armed police towards a tube station and we had four terrorist attacks yesterday and we couldn't take the chance he was going to murder a few dozen commuters just for jollies."
I can't wait for the crowd who plead for understanding of why certain populaces have brought terrorism on themselves to try and wiggle this one around 180 degrees.
Well, tragic as it is, what do people expect the police to do? Within two weeks you have multiple bomb blasts killing dozens of people with no reason to expect a let up. Of course giving shoot to kill orders in a civil society are a bad thing and I don't really expect the police like it much either. But imagine being the bobby who hesitated and watches a bus disappear.
The Islamic Human Rights Commission is "afraid that innocent people will die because of the police's new rules".
Well no shit. I think you will find that is precisely why the police are doing it. Remember all those innocent people a couple of weeks ago? When it comes to mass murder, the numbers say take a hardline because you'll save more people that way. Tough, but such is life.
The main thing to remember is who is bringing this down on society. Not the cops. Not Blair. Not some fatcat cabal intent on taking over society. No, it's the terrorists. I'm sure all those out there who are expert in the deployment of root-causes arguments can word it much better than "Sorry missus, but your son was running away from armed police towards a tube station and we had four terrorist attacks yesterday and we couldn't take the chance he was going to murder a few dozen commuters just for jollies."
I can't wait for the crowd who plead for understanding of why certain populaces have brought terrorism on themselves to try and wiggle this one around 180 degrees.
19 Comments:
When this happened I said to a friend that I didn't even care if this person who was shot wasn't involved. He was wearing a thick coat in hot weather and was running from cops. The gloves are now off in regard to terrorism, and that is just his bad luck. I empathise with his family however as obviously it is not their fault.
Is the Islamic Human Rights Commission is "afraid that innocent people will die because of the terrorists"?.
JUust a question.
It is unfortunate that this happened.
It would have been sensible to stop running, and put your hands in the air, palms out, and shout "I'm not a bomber"
It would seem likely he was guilty of something to run like that. Bad day to panic.
From what I know so far, I don't blame the police.
Typically the BBC had a legal opinion up within hours of the shooting (see the updates to Gooners post on the day)
And typically you are apologising for the police way before you have enough information to make a judgement
Ouch.
And typically, the left will pass judgement will the benefit of hindsight and with no effort to understand the situation the police were in on the spot.
But they will make every effort to understand why some-one will run and not stop and stick their hands in the air.
Or why some-one will blow up women and children, because they had "no other option."
Ackers I don't apologise for the police, I congratulate them and cry out for the Brazilian parents of the man killed. He is a victime of the terrorists. Now if all you lefties could persuade all these maughty bombers to leave Britain then there would be no more of this collateral damage. Sound familiar?
AL I read the BBC piece and I thought it was a useful and measured commentary.
"He is a victime (sic) of the terrorists."
What the? He was killed by terrorists? I know what you are trying to say here Adolf, and I think it is ridiculous. He was shot by cops and from that you say he was a victim of the terrorists? Dear god. That's a jump in logic that even Evil Knievel couldn't make.
Roger, are you deliberately being obtuse?
Testing.
And again.
Lucyna, I don't think there's anything deliberate about it.
message received. syncing VRWC.
Probably not, Keith. Sad, really.
Aaaaahhh Roger. Come is sucker. So now you will admit that all the deaths in Iraq are not the fault of the evil Amerikkans?
I simply think it is a bit stupid to say that that Brazilian was the victim of the terrorists. At what point are the police absolved of all responsibility for their actions? What is obtuse about that?
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roger roger roger, you walked right into that trap yet you either don't realise, or are ignoring it.
The events surrounding the shooting of the Brazilian will no doubt be investigated, and if necessary the cop in question will be held responsible. At the very least the organisation in question (specialist armed cops of the Metro Police) will recognise a problem occurred, and institute a remedy.
But terrorists - well apparently they aren't responsible for their own intentional actrocities, theyre only acting out because of the United States invasion of Iraq (or whatever is the excuse of the day). Apparently no better behaviour is expected of them, nor are their organisations expected to enforce better behaviour.
Appeasers: people who attempt to pacify the enemy at the expense of principles.
Maybe if we pulled police out of the subways, it would be OK?
At least it would reduce the incidence of wrongful arrest, and any unwanted side effects from that action.
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