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Thursday, June 09, 2005

NZ's Political Spectrum

With the election approaching, it's helpful to know where each of the parties stand. To that end, in a public-spirited gesture, I have assessed each NZ political party's political alignment (and a couple of other well-known groups for comparison), and have presented them here.




Notes:

Labour are as far to the left as ACT are to the right.

Hitler was a socialist, and if Hitler was a New Zealander today he would be a member of the Greens. Rod Donald should learn that people in (organic) glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

NZ First and United Future are centre-left, not centre-right as they are often described.

There left side of the spectrum is far more dense (in more ways than one) than the right. This is because the New Zealand public have far too many pinko tendencies as a whole. Also because leftists are inherently factional, as they have always been (eg Stalin and Trotsky).

If you want a lot less government vote ACT. If you want very slightly less government, vote National. If you think we just don't have quite enough government interference in our lives, and you think the public services are run cheaply, honourably, and efficiently with minimal waste, and believe in the tooth fairy, vote any of the others.

Posted by RightWingDeathBeast | 6/09/2005 03:44:00 PM

22 Comments:

Blogger Richard said...

If you want a LOT less government vote Libertarianz.

6/09/2005 04:32:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Cool.

Yep, Richard, that way we'll be ripe for the picking when the Viking equivalent comes a plundering. No thanks.

6/09/2005 04:42:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Is National Radio one of those other groups, or are they finally making a break for autonomy and running as the National Radio party?

Surely if they haven't received permission from the 9th floor, they can't pull this kind of stunt?

6/09/2005 04:45:00 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

Allowing for the moment the idea that Hitler was on the left -- a position many might disagree with -- it does not logically follow that because Hitler was a lefty, all lefties are Hitler.

Actually, in New Zealand, probably the best home for a national socialist would be either the Maori party, with their blood and soil philosophy, or NZ First, who also like blaming minorities for the nation's problems. Yes, Winston would make the trains run on time all right...

6/09/2005 04:46:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

I'd almost agree with you, Stephen, except that Hitler was a full on raving greenie and animal welfarist, that also understood that immigration poses a threat to socialism... as per Dissecting Leftism today. Maybe if the greens, NZ first and the Maori party merge we can all run screaming for the hills ...

6/09/2005 04:57:00 PM  
Blogger RightWingDeathBeast said...

"If you want a LOT less government vote Libertarianz."

If you want to waste your vote and therefore boost the vote of the left, and if the concept of pragmatism is totally alien to you, vote Libertarianz, you mean?

6/09/2005 05:00:00 PM  
Blogger Duncan Bayne said...

Lucyna,

I'm guessing you haven't actually read the Libz' policy on Defense?

6/09/2005 05:37:00 PM  
Blogger Lucyna said...

Duncan, I did .. a while ago, and I must admit I've forgotten what it actually was. Something to do with defense being one of the minimums in a Libz society. Ok, I was being a bit glib there, confusing anarcho-libs with Libz. I don't actually think that a defense force under Libz would be as strong as a defense force under ... ACT, for instance.

6/09/2005 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger Adolf Fiinkensein said...

My goodness RWDB, you really know how to prod the right spots don't you? Out they come in droves. Well done. I'm fascinated by the gascination with Hitler. I don't see Winston, the Greens or the MP as having any resemblence to Hitler who was a genocidal psychopath, sustained through each day by the effects of methamphetamine. Sure the Greens are loopy and Winston is a shit stirrer, but only when he feels an election coming on and he's getting too old for anything else to come on. The real villain, I think, is the current administration which masquerades as all nice, cozy and friendly but whose modus operandi was designed by Goebels and Beria. Ask Tamihere.

6/09/2005 05:55:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Richard, voting Libertarianz is wasting your vote.

And RWDB, you can vote both: give ACT your party vote and National your constituency vote (except in Epsom :-) ).

6/09/2005 06:04:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

stephen judd, Hitler was party leader of the SOCIALIST party. He was stark raving mad green. Anti smoking, didn't eat meat, believed in agricultural communities, hated capitalism, free enterprise, you name it.

6/09/2005 06:07:00 PM  
Blogger stephen said...

I don't think you're right about hating capitalism - he was right into supporting the small businessman, and loathed the Bolsheviks.

And it's a very one dimensional right-left axis you and RWDB seem to think. If judged purely on market vs planned economy, well yeah, I'd agree with you both. But "right wing" usually includes features such as a strong belief in traditional community values (Kinder, Kueche, Kirche), nationalism, respect for authority, etc. That's why usually fascism is considered as being a phenomenon in its own right.

Using *your* definitions of left and right, well sure.

6/09/2005 06:19:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

Yes Stephen, agreed - just because one is on the left, doesn't make them like Hitler. After all, we still have Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, and Castro, Donald and Clark, among others to compare them to.

His early days as a socialist are well documented, and his later days are also well documented, as a supposedly right wing nut job. I think its more reasonable to simply put him in a category all of his own.

6/09/2005 06:20:00 PM  
Blogger Berend de Boer said...

Yes, stephen, he loathed the bolsheviks so much he made a pact with them. And Hitler favored Kirche? Ha, the man was as anti-christ as Marx.

6/09/2005 08:31:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

Hitler was a vegeterian.

So are many Greens.

Vegetables turned Hilter mad and caused him to invade Poland.

I suspect the Greens would try something similar if they were ever in a position of power. If they weren't all sitting around stoned.

6/09/2005 08:50:00 PM  
Blogger Phantasmagoric Political Junkie said...

RWDB, you seem obsessed with pointing out that Hutler was a leftie.
Let us have a look at your name for a minute:
RightWingDeathBeast.
Could this be a rightwing beast that kills prehaps?
Just like someone else named Adolf Hitler?

Look: maybe if you gave your definition of left/right people may see where you are coming from.
I take left to mean equality and right to be hierarchy (whether conservative, free market based, whatever).
By my definition, Hitler is clearly right wing as he created a hierarchy of races and killed off those he thought were at the bottom.

6/09/2005 09:08:00 PM  
Blogger ZenTiger said...

PPJ: Alma Cogen is dead. Therefore all dead people are Alma Cogen.

Well, if it works for you, who am I to spoil it?

But leftism = equality? Huh? Sorry, but that's also part of the fiction of the lefty version of rights (up coming post will explain further). All men are created equal, its just that some are more equal than others...

Free market = hierarchy? Lost you on that one. In the words of Ms Hanson: Please explain.

6/09/2005 09:18:00 PM  
Blogger RightWingDeathBeast said...

PPJ,

What a mad set of definitions. The soviets had a huge party hierarchy, I suppose they are right wingers too?

Lefties are those who favour the use of government power to change society.

Rightists favour reduction of government interference in society.

That clearly places Hitler on the left.

Pointing out that Hitler is a socialist is indeed a hobbyhorse of mine.

Why? As I posted on Jordan Carter's blog a short time ago, where I am current jousting with the resident lefties on this very issue: Those who forget the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them I think the saying goes. People would be far more hesitant to adopt leftist ideas if they were aware that Nazism, communism, and indeed all the worst regimes in memory are on the left.

6/09/2005 09:41:00 PM  
Blogger Sallyo said...

See this article by Lindsay Perigo on the Left/right dichotomy
http://freeradical.co.nz/content/58/Editorial.php

6/09/2005 11:09:00 PM  
Blogger reid said...

I hope you're not having to joust too hard with them RWDB, it's not a hard concept to grasp - except for lefties who in addition to being on the same spectrum area as Hitler, are also mostly a bit thick. They seem to think that Left is good because they're nice people, which is so funny, because their leaders are just having them on, leading them like sheep. And they don't even know it. What a bunch of big silly willies.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that you've missed out Barry Soper and TVNZ on the spectrum.

6/10/2005 01:03:00 AM  
Blogger TomV said...

I'd put National a lot closer to Labour on that spectrum. In essence there's bugger all difference between them.

6/10/2005 09:42:00 AM  
Blogger Philu said...

adolf..you say hitler was a meth-head..

could you give us links or references for that..?(i ain't challenging..am interested)
i an aware that ww2 and korea were fought on meth..hadn't heard before that hitler used it..(makes sense really..delusions of granduer..let's invade russia..etc, etc..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

6/10/2005 11:55:00 AM  

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